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I have to disagree with both comments on this... That was my first thought as well. But looking at the screenshots in the Twitter post, it goes beyond design systems. Structurally, it's the same. Layout, it's the same. Purpose, it's the same.


I don’t really buy it.

There’s only so many logical ways to layout a graph, breadcrumbs, and table. If the breadcrumbs perform an action, which they seem to do, then you’ll want them center to emphasize that. That’s just basic UX design.

I could argue they copied the query builder from dozens of different sites because they all look identical. It’s a query builder, there’s only a few ways to design and implement one.

The tables straight up are just standard design tables. They could’ve come from Bootstrap at how plain they look. The only thing they have in common in terms of the things they show is costs, which, I mean for two tools used to keep track of cloud spending, seems like a given.

The copy is completely different even if the purpose is the same, and “slicing and dicing data” is a go to phrase in the industry. We used the phrase all the time when developing a graphing tool.

Nothing in that Twitter post is unique. It’s what I, and I’m sure many others would converge on for any sort of tool that interacts with graphed data. Especially for two tools in the same space, there’s only so many ways to show people their cloud costs. If anything, both companies just have extremely generic looking and feeling UIs.


Um. Their marketing copy... the words used to describe things and the order in which they're laid out? You think that's GENERIC?


Please show me the exact marketing copy that is the same. They use different words to describe slicing and dicing data, which as I already said is an extremely common term in the industry. For two companies doing the same niche and relatively simple thing, I would certainly think that there would be a lot of similarities.

As I have said like half a dozen times now, there’s only so many ways you can show cloud costs. It’s not like this is some innovative space, it’s just showing costs over time on a graph and table. If I were to clean room design an interface for this problem, I would certainly have the same sort of design, layout and copy as these two.

And yes, all of those things are generic, for the reasons I’ve given. Do you have any actual response other than being incredulous that someone has a different opinion than you?


Pretty much generic nonsense text. The one of the left didn't optimize like the one on the right.


https://www.dol.gov/agencies/whd/state/minimum-wage/tipped

I'm not sure what "de facto $0 wage" means.


Their paychecks are $0. The entire check goes to the government.


Around 30 years ago, I would bring home $500 cash working two days per week. Back then we only reported enough tips to get us just over minimum wage (not claiming this was ok but if I had reported the full amount it would have red flagged the whole crew). Seriously tipped employees do not fret over the pay check.


Every server I know makes over $20/hr in tips minimum. Double that on a busy weekend.

And they don't pay tax on it, so its really more like $25/hr minimum.


> Every server I know makes over $20/hr in tips minimum. Double that on a busy weekend.

> And they don't pay tax on it, so its really more like $25/hr minimum.

First, I don't believe you know any servers and second fact that few servers have decent pay doesn't make the rest of them as well paid.


When it's slow, and their boss keeps them doing busy-work on penalty of losing their job, how much do they make? $0.


They make an average of the local minimum wage over the pay period.

Which is something a lot of servers act like they don't get.

Their work is more akin to contracting than it is to regular employment. You make hay while the sun is shining. The people who tip well make up for the people who don't tip well and for the times when you aren't tipped at all.

Just because you didn't physically get $7.25 this exact hour, doesn't mean your employer has to make up the difference for that hour. No, you take all the money you made from both your hourly wage and all the tips you collected, and you divide that by the number of hours you worked. If it comes out to $7.25 or over on average, everything is cool. If not, the employer has to make up the difference. That's the law.

And really, we should just absolutely do away with it. It pits the servers against the customers and creates an adversarial relationship. Servers don't want it to go away because a certain segment of servers know they cannot make as much as they do tipped. They are good at the hustle. They don't want to bring up their coworkers because it means they have to go down a bit.

So, fuck em. They could have a better system, but they choose this one. So I really couldn't give half a shit about most of their complaints. Especially when they put the blame on the customers rather than where it belongs, their employers.


The framing here is odd. Even when a restaurant doesn't take many orders per hour, it has to stay open or else people will stop coming there due to inconsistency. That's just the cost of doing business.

Waitstaff understand this and build it into their concept of what their true hourly wage is. Many people will scramble to get jobs at $200/plate places, even if you have to wait around for 5 hours during the day time doing almost nothing till dinner comes. On the contrast, hardly anyone wants to work at busy diners that charge very little per plate. You'll be busy yourself, working non-stop and you'll take home very little since that's all they charge.

Reality is somewhere in between those two examples, but its a known reality.


The framing is not odd. Have you ever been cut and had to do hours of side work while only getting paid $2.13/hr and not getting any new tables?


It’s been a long time since I was in a position to think about being waitstaff… so can you tell me what does being cut mean in this context?


While there are really shitty places like this, it's almost getting to trope levels on the Internet.

The wait staff/bartenders I knew/know all do it because it was by far the highest paying job you could get. Especially with part time hours. There isn't much else you can do as a college student that will pay any better. And if you are very good, attractive, and get a bit lucky on where you work you are talking white collar pay levels per hour.


That would be illegal.


You're not wrong, but generally speaking, trying to get your employer to make up the difference (as they are legally required to) is a good way to get fired.


Definitely not, they just average your hours out so you're technically paid minimum wage for enough hours to cover those ones where you don't make anything.


Assuming you didn't write too many zeroes on your W-4, you shouldn't have 100% withholding.

AFAICT, this $0 paycheck thing comes from a single reddit post described in this article: https://www.newsweek.com/waitress-who-comes-home-0-paycheck-...

TL;DR: the restaurant calculates a much higher number for cash tip income than actually received and withholds the meager wage income to cover the taxes.

The server kept the actual cash tips, which should be most of their income, although they might have an unexpected tax bill. The restaurant can't report the wrong amount for tips and has to report what the employee reports to them, so this is likely illegal.

It's not uncommon to have a low paycheck since taxes for tip and wage income are withheld only from wages. If you make $20/hour total and your tax rate is 20%, wages will generally cover your taxes if they are at least 20% of your income or $4/hour.

Usually this works the other way, where servers under-report cash tips and get a little tax-free income.


I have two kids in it, one 11 year old boy and one 8 year old girl. The school we were in switched to Montessori 4 years ago. The younger loves it. The older very much dislikes the open nature of the school day and struggles to complete tasks. His teacher has had to modify and provide him with much more structure than you would normally receive. You might say that’s because he didn’t start in Montessori from the beginning. But knowing my child, I think Montessori doesn’t work for some kids, in the same way rigid traditional schools don’t work for others.


He was running a Ponzi scheme. Don't feel sorry for him.


It wasn’t a Ponzi scheme, at least based on what’s publicly known.

This is just investing with client funds, which the US learned the hard way must be carefully restricted. The US has the Glass-Steagall Act, and deposit insurance to try to prevent bank runs like this.


The investing with client funds part is probably the easiest charge but his self-description sounds Ponzi-like:

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2022-04-25/sam-bankm...


They were talking about stuff like Celsius. I don't think FTX was itself offering yield-farming products, just letting people trade those tokens. "Yeah, the stuff people trade on my platform are probably Ponzis" is definitely not great publicity, but it's not obviously admitting to your own crimes.


This sounds like Napoleon Dynamite type of reasoning


Me, as a kid: “the emperor’s new clothes is nonsense, nobody would go along with something that obviously wrong”

Me, after watching people sell no-hope dotcoms, dubious real estate, and cryptocurrency: “… unless they thought they could cash out before the other fools wised up”


>It wasn’t a Ponzi scheme, at least based on what’s publicly known.

>This is just investing with client funds...

This is just plain not true.


To be fair to the guy, he wasn’t afraid to admit it in some very public interviews. But yeah, don’t feel sorry.


> To be fair to the guy, he wasn’t afraid to admit it in some very public interviews.

I don't think brazen criminals should get a different perspective than sneaky ones; perhaps a worse characterization because they either don't recognize what they're doing is wrong, or they simply hold society in contempt.


I'm not. Just saying that he won't get away with it like other CEOs have done in the past while "taking responsibility". His punishment has already begun.


Which is what, exactly? Living in hiding?


Yes, losing his money, reputation and freedom (whether that's in hiding or in jail). He's obviously royally screwed, regardless if he goes to jail or not, and yet people are saying he walks away from this unscathed.


I think two rockets landing at the same time, in unison, more accurately displays the fact both are under computer control.

One landing could just be some person steering it. But two?


Personally, very excited to see this happening. Huge congrats!

Some constructive criticism around naming... You don't have to have Flux in every single damn thing you create!

InfluxDB IOx is not replacing InfluxDB v2 because... It's just a new storage engine.

For querying we have Flux or InfluxQL...


As a frequent Kroger customer, my immediate gut reaction was no way should this happen.

But then looking further, how much geographic overlap is there between the two companies? Not much from my quick search. Certainly not in the area I live.

And a stated goal of this merger is to fight the evil empire, Walmart. So I'm warming up to it...


Both brands are the parent companies for quite a few grocery chains. I wonder if this gives them more overlap than appears on the surface.


There's major overlap of sub-brands in some regions:

* Mountain states: King Sooper vs Albertson's

* PNW: QFC/Fred Meyer vs Safeway

* California: Ralph's vs Safeway

And that's only the regions I'm familiar with.


In DFW metroplex there is major overlap. They will have HEB competition here soon though.


No explanation necessary. Anyone that has followed Atlassian in the news knows that downloading Jira Issues is an excellent idea!


Are you suggesting they’re going out of business?


Until the current crop of managers retire, Atlassian will still have business. Some don't know anything other than Jira, so will recommend it on corporate purchases.


Probably a testament to performance and reliability of the hosted offering (we all remember the multi day outage not long ago).


Are you referring to the April outage?

Technically 14 days is multi day, but when it can be measured in weeks, you might as well.


> Technically 14 days is multi day, but when it can be measured in weeks, you might as well.

What does that mean? Two days is multi day. Even 25 hours is multi day.


I believe they’re saying that we might as well say “multi-week” rather than “multi-day”, given that it was 14 days!

Multi day seems to imply a time period of 2-5 days, not 14…


There were zero issues with performance/reliability that caused the outage, they just deleted hundreds of customers data, and had to manually restore the data due to lack of automated restore scripts.


Reliability is measured from a customer's perspective, not from a geeky vendor-oriented perspective of a backend service. When the vendor deletes data, the vendor's reliability quotient decreases, because that data is no longer available to the customer.


Once again we learn the hardware that accessibility is not the same thing as reliability.


Apparently they've never made a profit...


Isn’t saying “Land Train” like saying “Sky Plane”?


The word "train" is actually a reference to a series of connected "whatever" following one another.

IE a train of thoughts, a camel train (where one camel is tethered to the behind of the one in front) and of course the far more commonly used train of railway cars.

Hence the word train is - through common use - a contraction of railway train. "Railway" being scope/domain of the train in question. IE the train of cars is intended to only ever run on rails.

So riffing off "railway train" for a vehicle that is limited to land but not rails ... land train. A train of cars that intends to be capable of going anywhere on land.

Plane is a contraction of aeroplane - aero referring to air. Clearly, aeroplane is intended to be limited in scope/domain by air. So saying "sky aeroplane" is similar to saying "ATM machine" - somewhat silly. But saying "land train" is an exact reference to the machine and what it's intended scope/domain is.

Now.. what is a sea plane? Strictly, a "plane"(no aero) limited in scope/domain by "sea" IE a submarine.

But no... what we have is a contraction of "sea-landing limited aeroplane". Again, sea refers to scope/domain but only of a portion of the capability of the vehicle.

The contortions that language goes to for improved information density can lead to ambiguity instead.

EDIT: trying to remove ambiguity myself!


Trains usually go on rails; this is a train (a series of physically linked cars) that goes on many kinds of land instead of rails. The name fits IMHO.


> Trains usually go on rails

Usually indeed. Besides accidental derailments, there was a time in the late 90s when a town in Canada intentionally derailed a diesel-electric locomotive and drove it down the street half a mile under its own power so they could use it as an emergency generator. The road needed to be repaired, but apparently the locomotive was fine and eventually returned to regular service.



Here's a HN post from a few months back discussing: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=26233736


I suppose they do fine on land as long as you don't drop them:

https://trainfanatics.com/locomotive-dropped-dock/


Camel trains? Mule trains? thought trains?

Etymology 1 From Middle English trayne (“train”), from Old French train (“a delay, a drawing out”), from traïner (“to pull out, to draw”), from Vulgar Latin traginō, from tragō, from Latin trahō (“to pull, to draw”), ultimately from Proto-Indo-European *tregʰ- (“to pull, draw, drag”). The verb was derived from the noun in Middle English. (https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/train)

A group of people following an important figure such as a king or noble; a retinue, a group of retainers. [from 14th c.] A group of animals, vehicles, or people that follow one another in a line, such as a wagon train; a caravan or procession. [from 15th c.] The men and vehicles following an army, which carry artillery and other equipment for battle or siege. [from 16th c.]

lots of trains don't go on rails.


"Offrail Train" is more like it yeah.


I will say that back when Bugzilla was it, JIRA rocked. It was amazing the new power you had and the functionality it provided.

We self-hostd JIRA from 2008ish to 2014ish. (memory is fading on exact dates) By the time we decided to stop using JIRA, we fracking hated JIRA and would never return.

Since then, GitHub Issues, Trello, Clubhouse (neé Shortcut) all provide less friction in day to day use. As an Enterprise, I do believe Shortcut is your best bet.


Not trying to nitpick, just for your information

> Clubhouse (neé Shortcut)

It's the opposite: Shortcut (née Clubhouse), as "née" means "born", so it's the name it had at birth, the old name

The more you know!


A valuable piece of pedantry, since I hadn't heard of either name and interpreted the GP to be referring to a product now named Clubhouse.


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