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Because nothing bad happened to you, therefore nothing bad happens?

I see your reductio ad absurdum and counter you with its exact inverse:

Because something bad has happened at some point to someone somewhere, you personally must take precautions against it happening to you?

Do you intend to modify your behavior, spending habits, or thought patterns to reduce the risk of catching mad cow disease? Oh, no? So you're saying mad cow disease doesn't exist?

But mad cow disease has a documented casualty count and data breaches do not. So actually, you're being irrational if you care about and take measures to mitigate the one but not the other.

Now that we've established that you are rationally obligated to mitigate the risk of mad cow disease, I have some guaranteed Definitely Not Placebo[^TM]-brand pills to sell you.

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If you find this counterargument spurious, absurd, or unfair, then I have a proposal for you: let's both agree that reduction to absurdity benefits no one, and try to talk reasonably in the middle ground between extremes.


> you personally must take precautions against it happening to you?

Well, yes, in the sense I vote for rational politicians rather than raving single issue lunatics.

The problem here is you latch on to the most absurd example, where the actual farmers raising cattle are the ones expected to avoid mad cow disease because there is an actual cost to them (slaughtering their entire herd). The analogy here would be businesses having to protect their customers data or suffer consequences, which they generally don't.

Now, if you're a deer hunter the responsibility now returns to you. If you shoot some janky ass deer and eat it you might find your brain full of holes in a decade. Again, the analogy here would be using some sketch ass card reader, or hell, using an ATM in a part of town where you get mugged.


Agreed on all points. I was presenting a deliberately bad argument in order to make the meta-point that arguments like it are unhelpful.

Don't know why people keep parroting this, this is incorrect. Chinese electricity prices are equal or slightly cheaper then most of North America. But significant pockets such as those around the Quebec or other hydro plants are significantly cheaper then Chinese power pricing.

Not only that, China may subsidize AI, but so does the US.


Okay interesting. I presume that China also has low cost areas too no? Their grid at least seems more stable. Datacenter construction is more likely to raise prices in the US than there.

China's grid has had some serious issues over the past decade that didn't get widely reported for all the reasons you can think of. Some of them were exasperated by poor planning and censorship making it hard to hold anybody accountable. Not to say that they don't/didn't eventually work on it, but there was a widely held belief that the people at the top weren't even aware of the issue until foreign firms were directly impacted. This is not to say they can't or won't expand come hell or high water, though.

https://www.bbc.com/news/business-58733193 https://www.cbc.ca/news/business/china-power-cuts-1.6193281


Western china has abundant clean energy but only limited grid connections to send it east. The problem is that they simply don't have much water. The US is similar (places with abundant green energy lack water, even dam-heavy Washington state has this issue in the east part of the state).

China averages 7¢/kWh, almost 1/3 of the US average at 19¢/kWh.

My rates (before PG&E were forced to concede) were as high as 49¢/kWh, a 7x factor.

These are residential rates and not industrial ones, but I hope my point is clear.

China has very cheap power compared to the US, there's a reason why they had to ban bitcoin to get rid of miners.


Quebec has lower rates then 7¢/kWh at data center / wholesale level. Quebec spot market runs negative sometimes, apparently. And Oklahoma has cheap power, and probably other places. Not sure your utility bill is the place to get accurate numbers.

    "Mean wholesale electricity prices in 2024 were lowest in SPP ($27.87/MWh), the Southeast ($29.72/MWh), and Southern California ($29.95/MWh), and highest in the Northwest ($59.98/MWh)."
https://www.ferc.gov/sites/default/files/2025-03/25_State-of...

If my math is right, divide those by 10 for cents per kWh


On hackers news a technology focused platform where custom weird languages thrive. You're complaining about a company who the original developer made their own language.

Isn't this exactly how all of the other languages where created?


Industrial Chinese electricity costs is similar to that of Texas, It's 8-9cents a kWh. The only benefit is industrial China decides to put millions of solar panels down, so "peak" sunlight hours can drop electricity costs significantly since their rates are highly dynamic.


China has a population of 1.4B, US is 349M. 0-8 Beijing time is their off-peak? How is that funny, that's literally how timezones work?


It's funny, in a good way, because their off-peak times match perfectly the werstern peak demand.


Can folks in China run US-based models? Seems like they should take advantage of this overlap in peak timing.


OpenAI and Anthropic restricted API access for developers based in mainland China, citing geopolitical competition and national security risks.


Yes but does China also restrict Chinese citizens from using these models?


Kinda, China has the GFW so you need to circument that to access a larger part of global internet. Though that is relatively "easy" than to get a proper working SMS or KYC for Anthropic or OAI.


Yes, use VPN; they are the main clients


Why do they use a VPN?


Chinese state firewall?


Well not just that, OpenAI explicitly blocks them


Blocks Chinese users or blocks VPNs? Are they the only one?


https://developers.openai.com/api/docs/supported-countries

You can check for yourself here to see that China and Hong Kong are conveniently missing. We do see blocking from Anthropic and Gemini as well in some regions

Also even though Vietnam and the Philippines are technically supported we do see blocking from some IP addresses in those regions too


I see - I was just curious. Does China permit citizens from accessing American AI models if they were permitted by the American companies?


Well I can tell you lots of them access them no matter what, our service provides a proxy for them if a request gets blocked and lots of AI providers do the same since they access the APIs through a central server without passing along the actual users IP address


Understood, I was just curious if the CCP blocks Chinese citizens even if they were permitted by the US. It looks quite a bit like the general economic policy of China - block foreign companies and artificially drive pricing down for your products globally. I have yet to see evidence to the contrary but was just wondering


Absolutely not, OpenAI is not an organization they can "control."


This statement makes no sense, because you literally said the "US is getting bad". We already gave up all of our data, if you wrote something about the CCP you should already expect they know about it.


Besides that, the us govt already has all your data and yet people are criticising it all around, in the open. They can, without repercussions, because the us is a free country.

Chinese people can’t really do the same.


I frankly disagree, how do you know "will this make humanity better?" until the product is done? AI wasn't what it is today because of a specific companies innovations. It stemmed from decades of research built on top of other research. How did any of those builders know what they were getting into?

Every technology should be done to the fullest potential, how are we ever supposed to explore the stars or cure cancer if everyone is scared of accidentally building Skynet?


Just like we can incrementally innovate, we should be able to incrementally figure too.


AI has nothing to do with technology, the questions are 100% psychological not technological. It's fundamental shifts in deep degrees of how humans have worked for centuries. Most of which the church has been the centre of.


I don't think humans would skim stuff... Frankly I've always used a tool that preskimmed resumes. Even before AI. You can't expect a HR person getting 10k resumes a day to skim everyone or even look at 10% of them. Even 20+ years ago 80% of resumes went right into the trash bin before I even opening it.


For iPhone only users, so right off the bat your product is targeting 50% ish of a companies customer base. And the non iMessage people get a worse experience?


We have SMS/RCS fallback for non-iMessage devices. Also, in the verticals that we're targeting, the iMessage usage rate is a lot higher than 50%


In North America iPhone/android split is far from 50/50. I have 4 different apps running and the split is about 80/20 and has been for a decade. Internationally android is used at a higher rate - but that is decreasing as lesser economies play catch up.


Not sure what bubble you live in, but that is incorrect. Maybe in California it's 80/20. Every single statistic globally is nearly 80/20% for android. There is a few rich markets and they may be 80/20 for Apple, but realistically Android wins every single time, no matter what market you look at.

China/India are like 30-40% of the world, and they are both under 20% usage.

Europe - 60/40% split for android

US/Canada - 40/60% split for iPhone

Even some of the higher countries are only 70/30% for iPhone.

Ignoring that is fine if your target is rich North Americans.

But you are still chopping off X% of customers.


Wins for "devices owned", but not necessarily for customers, which depends on the product/service.

The OP has said they have fallback to SMS/RCS.


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