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That sounds like one very narrow cultural perspective.

Fatalism is widespread, but not nearly universal enough that we can say it was the norm 15000 years ago.

For that matter, people who were pretty fatalist were still capable of using chance for purposes of fairness. The democrats in ancient Athens come to mind. I'm also pretty sure the (Christian) apostles' use of chance was also more about avoiding a human making the decision, than about divination.


Are you quite sure of that? Historians would beg to differ.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cleromancy

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tyche


I'm not saying divination isn't a thing, I'm saying there are examples of use of chance where it doesn't seem like divination.

Athenians selected through sortition didn't seem to act much like they believed they were chosen by the gods, and they defended their institutions mainly as wisdom, not as revelation.

And the apostles, being Jews, had a big taboo about using chance to determine God's will, but apparently not against using chance to fill vacancies.



There are bible passages suggesting the outcome of lots is God's will, and there are passages condemning divination. You can find them from the same links you posted above. But at the time of the apostles, it was a no-no to use chance to figure out God's will.

Please don't just shake links out of your sleeve, and talk to me instead. Do you think the Athenians acted like they were chosen by the gods when their number came up?

Don't you see a difference between the situations where chance could clearly have been used simply as a mechanism for fairness / avoiding a biased choice, and things like reading the movement of the birds or interpreting the shape of molten lead thrown into water?

Even in things like the goat choice in the bible you link above, I think it may be more about fairness than divination. Because as far as I know, the priests actually got to eat the sacrificial goat, but not the scapegoat they chased into the wild. So was it really about divining which goat God hated more, or was it maybe about "don't cheat by keeping the juicy goat for yourselves and chasing away the mangy one!"?


Yes, but so too is a modern western framing of these “dice” as “gambling” objects.

And also, the esteem in recognizing them as prefiguring a skill or system of thought that fund managers and FDA panels use today. In a roundabout way, it praises our own society’s systems by recognizing an ancient civilization for potentially having discovered some of their mathematical preliminaries.


Yes, I meant to mention that but forgot in my eagerness to respond. Sorry and thanks for clarifying!

From TFA:

> No prehistoric dice have ever been discovered in the eastern part of North America.

Come on, you don’t really think modern statistics might’ve come about from Europeans taking inspiration in the gambling practices of nomadic peoples in remote southwestern parts of North America. No need to pay lip service to every scold.


I don't, when the much more likely answer is that it came from the more than a millenia old gambling practices of Europe.

yeah man these boys were definitely doing bayesian probability and gaussian distributions to operate their sea shell based barter economy

You missed the embedded video near the top.

Thanks. Shockingly the GitHub iOS app just completely omits that.

The Android app does the same thing

ZeroTier. It works well for me. I chose it over Tailscale because it doesn't require a third party for login.

I say "heck" instead of "hell" all the time. I'm not religious, so the invented "heck" is more of a swearword.

That just shows the first post for most people. Here is all of it: https://xcancel.com/FabianGloeckle/status/204008278585190440...

Does Cloudflare use EmDash in production? Showing that its design and implementation have been refined through real-world use would help instil confidence.

Two spaces: https://news.ycombinator.com/formatdoc

It's for code though, not lists or bullet points.


The proto-Celtic that is Indo-European? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Proto-Celtic_language



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