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Really?

Also our youth unemployment rate is still historically low https://fred.stlouisfed.org/series/LNS14024887

I’m not sure on the quality of work though


Agree, but I also think a lot of people are going to push things further than we could have ever imagined.

Agree, the most important thing we can possibly do is enforce collectively owned compute

This is why companies like Anthropic are so scary, they believe AI should be controlled by them alone


The government and collectives in general could easily help provide this.

If enough people are out of work they will obviously band together


I don’t know that most people care at all or even know about this. ChatGPT still far and away has the largest consumer market and brand recognition.

What Anthropic has done exceedingly well is work their way into corporations.

I have personally seen massive uptake over the last 6 months of regular people in corporations using Claude cowork. They are all genuinely amazed by what it can do for them.

OpenAI wants to be more of a Google. It’s increasingly seeming like consumer may not be as good of a play here


Allegedly OpenAI's contracting model is much more vicious than Anthropic's; at work (admittedly a little IP-protective) we have unlimited Claude, but no Codex subscription because OpenAI won't give us sufficient guarantees around data retention.

We are also concerned that it may not be possible to bind OpenAI using contract terms and/or the US legal system.


> OpenAI wants to be more of a Google. It’s increasingly seeming like consumer may not be as good of a play here

OpenAI has openings right now for "AI Deployment Engineer"-style positions, which is a role where they embed that employee in one or more customer's businesses. E.g.:

https://openai.com/careers/ai-deployment-engineer-startups-s...

I think this is the right way to go about it. Getting AI integrated well is more of a consulting package than it is a technology/code thing. Just handing a business a model+API will not result in high-quality or long-term relationships. This AI transformation is the most invasive possible thing I can imagine for a business. You really need a human on site to help the other humans across the treacherous organizational and psychological bridges.


Even in the consumer space the cool kids stopped using ChatGPT this year. The swing in reputation and momentum these last few months has been nothing short of extraordinary. Like a political race, once a leader loses “the big mo” it’s incredibly hard to win it back. That’s the situation OpenAI faces now.

My short experience with Claude and ChatGPT via web is that:

1. the way GPT writes is simply fundamentally annoying. I pretty much had to create a project with a file that said "do not use headings, lists or emojis" to make it bearable. It feels like, as a product, this sort of thing should be a general preference the user sets before they even start talking to a chatbot.

2. Claude just loves wasting tokens doing things nobody asked for. You ask "how do I calculate the distance between 2 points?" and it's probably going to compile some C code in the background with tests to make sure it works, then generate an interactive diagram on the fly to show how the math works, and then give you a downloadable file with the code. Like, dude, I just want some text. Why are you doing all of this?

Both of these problems come from the obvious lack of any UI controls in the software. there is no way for the user to know what sorts of things the software can do, because it's not exposed via UI as a checkbox like "generate interactive diagram" or "avoid using emojis." Discoverability is burning tokens to figure out what prompts work, or looking at example prompts the developer placed in the welcome screen.

I just feel it's completely ridiculous how LLM's are essentially the culmination of a trajectory of bad UI practices masquerading as "good UX" and now they're being implemented everywhere because people think it's good UX a blank textbox where you don't even know what you're supposed to type to do something.


Being a “prick” is completely inconsequential compared to the massive harm that anthropics views could create.

Such as them genuinely believing they are the only ones who should control AI. What could possibly go wrong?


I think it's about whether you trust someone or not. I don't really find Altman trustable. No one should have sole control over AI, but we need to have some trust in the people that are operating it.

Anthropic believes they are the only people who should control AI.

That alone is terrible. Also OpenAI has done actual work to try and mitigate the downstream negatives effects with UBI experiments.

Sam isn’t perfect but it’s deeply unclear that he’s worse


> Anthropic believes they are the only people who should control AI.

I’ve seen this a few times in the thread. Can you or anyone provide a link that supports this claim?


This seems to be a rumor being coordinated by OpenAI.

There's OpenAI employees spreading this rumor on Twitter with 0 evidence. Their entire evidence is "I keep hearing Anthropic wants to control AI". Their evidence is literal rumors.

https://x.com/_aidan_clark_/status/2052089187659346047


Yeah. And this thread seems so astroturfed. I get the feeling openAI is trying this sort of propaganda campaign out now that theyre desperate

The idea that intelligence will be commoditized is completely counterintuitive. It comes from the belief that it can’t exceed our own. This is almost certainly not true at the limit. There will likely by many super intelligences like we see life in the wild

No, it comes from the idea that the intelligence each company offers at any time will be undistinguishable. Sure some models will temporarily pull ahead, but others will quickly catch up and the intelligence difference won’t matter enough too convince anyone to switch on its own.

That is an incredibly limited an shortsighted view of AI

Maybe. Its been pretty true so far though. A singularity is possible of course, but it's also possible that intelligence explosions dont happen, progress is relatively linear, and no one is able to pull ahead long term. If the true bottleneck is hardware it's difficult for me to see how intelligence doesnt become a commodity.

100%

The belief structures here are really interesting. Blind tests would likely illuminate a lot of why people think that


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