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Citation needed - see google and project maven. Of course that is all well in the past now - but for a brief moment google was capable of taking an ethical stance.

Just s/AI/surveillance state/ and it reads pretty much the same. People in the US you should read NSPM-7 which is obviously simply targeted at this admin's out group. Things seem to be well in motion already from the outward indications we have about DHS spending and disregard for legal processes. People are just still in denial or not paying attention.


Yeah the resulting stigma on tariffs is a bit unfortunate. You could imagine a system of tariffs that was intended to set a sort of globalized minimum wage in certain segments. The US could even have foreign entities to distribute the tariff income to the workers in those countries for example.

Tariffs are totally a reasonable tool for protecting national security interests or leveling the playing field for the American worker. Unfortunately none of that was done in a coherent or legible way.

With all the global fallout and nothing to show for it I'm really not sure I could have come up with a better way to sabotage the United States.


I definitely think we should highly tax, or completely ban imports from countries that basically allow slavery of their working class. Though, if anyone were to bring that up now, it would incite all kinds of emotional attacks.

I could imagine people being on board with it if they could get a tariff funded subsidy for things made in America. If the average person got an explicit discount on their Ford because some rich person paid extra taxes on their Audi, then tariffs wouldn't seem so bad. I just think the actual goal is to make them political suicide for decades.


it is times like these i am reminded of https://cryptome.org/2012/07/gent-forum-spies.htm


That was actually my first thought. The focus on this part of the thread has left the actual meat of the article entirely and is focused instead on a post trying to weedle meaning where there is none.


You caught me, boys! I’d better go tell my boss I failed because these kids are too smart to be fooled.


I remember rolling out encryption over all the DC<->DC fiber after the PRISM leaks at Google. People were pissed about it. I'm sure they comply with legal requests but I would be very surprised if they break the law (such as it is) in any way.


>muh lag

Every car for the last 150 years has had mechanical connection from the steering wheel to the tires and nobody is talking about the reliablity and safety concerns. The absolute state of hacker news.


Don't confuse the US before the collapse of the soviet union and now. There is a reason it is in the position it is - it actually did stuff countries liked such as rebuilding the world after WWII. When the soviet union collapsed the US needed to pivot - instead a bunch of inept politicians have been doing expedient nothings for 30 years.


To your point every creek in pittsburgh is still "shit creek" or loaded with amd in the spring. I wouldn't eat any mud - maybe some dirt up on a hill.


Economics, sociology and psychology all tend to say very little with very many words to the extent that the message gets lost and people don't even know what they are discussing.

You see it to a lesser extent in software and math too though - just look at any mathematical article on wikipedia. The "dynamic programming" article is a good one for this.

I'm not sure this is a new problem.


I agree your premise in a limited context: non fiction books.

Non fiction books often pad out very little info into an entire tome simply because that’s one of the few ways you can make money from your idea.

But this doesn’t apply just to economics. The most egregious of this are books about programming languages and architecture if you ask me.

In philosophy and elsewhere, a good author might write a lot but still be concise. That’s just because they have a lot to say. Or they need more examples.

This article wasn’t even that verbose. I don’t see how what he said related to star man though, but that’s a different topic.


I don't know much about sociology and psychology, but I can say that I'm surprised by this characterization of economics. I'm sure you know what you're talking about, but it's my impression that economics is a subject with a lot of depth, and also tries to communicate its ideas to laypeople with concise approximations like "P=MC"


Yeah this seems like a quite simple affirmation of states rights in matters which have not been explicitly deferred to the federal government. I was kind of hoping to find good discussion at least on hacker news but it's the same nonsense as every other back water shithole on the internet. At this point 4chan is having a more nuanced discussion :( I'm increasingly convinced we will see the US split - and to be honest after today I would be quite happy for that to happen since a large contingent of people don't seem to understand or even want to operate in the legal frameworks we have.


States rights? See the US split? Crazy, I feel like we've been down this road before...

Enjoy that nuanced 4chan discussion, though!


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