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To answer how it got so big: it didn't start out trying to replace Slack. It just solved an acute pain point for gamers. Skype was becoming increasingly enshittified, and people were floating between TeamSpeak, Ventrilo, and Mumble, none of which were that great. Discord captured the market because it was completely free and had the audio mechanisms in place to make people with shitty mics and background noise tolerable without forcing everyone to use push-to-talk. That’s really it. By the time non-gaming communities were looking for a Slack alternative, they just defaulted to Discord because 90% of their target audience already had the client running in the background.


That is also why I think it "won" over Slack. Discord solved audio comms for gamers, period. It got so good, that SMB and startups started to migrate for stuff like easy pair-programming, open meetings etc.

Discord IMO won because of a killer trio: 1) good comms 2) full history 3) faster UI over bloated Slack.


Shared this in the other Gemini Pro 3.1 thread (https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=47074735) but wanted to share it here as well.

I just tested the "generate an SVG of a pelican riding a bicycle" prompt and this is what I got: https://codepen.io/takoid/pen/wBWLOKj

The model thought for over 5 minutes to produce this. It's not quite photorealistic (some parts are definitely "off"), but this is definitely a significant leap in complexity.


That looks amazing!

But huh, I get... this: https://www.svgviewer.dev/s/1MOs0uyb (on Gemini 3.1 Pro) ... what... is wrong with my Gemini?


I got this : https://www.svgviewer.dev/s/DNq3oGMB

pro with the 20$ subscription , from the gemini.google.com site , initially the request was routed to nano banana,

so I had to change the prompt and had to be very specific about not generating the image directly, here the exact prompt :

"I want the html svg code for that ( not the generated image) , generate an SVG of a pelican riding a bicycle"


Please don't duplicate comments - it makes merging threads a pain!

Letting us know that there's a dupe situation going on is helpful, if you have a minute to email hn@ycombinator.com.


I just gave it a shot and this is what I got: https://codepen.io/takoid/pen/wBWLOKj

The model thought for over 5 minutes to produce this. It's not quite photorealistic (some parts are definitely "off"), but this is definitely a significant leap in complexity.


Good to see it wearing a helmet. Their safety team must be on their game.


Yes but why would a pelican need a helmet? If it falls over it can just fly away... Common sense 1 Gemini 0


Obviously these domestic pelicans can't fly, otherwise why would they need a bike?


Why would a pelican be riding a bicycle at all, for that matter?


Because the user asked for it


Here's what I got from Gemini Pro on gemini.google.com, it thought for under a minute...might you have been using AI studio? https://jsbin.com/zopekaquga/edit?html,output

It does say 3.1 in the Pro dropdown box in the message sending component.


That's a good pelican. What I like the most is that the SVG is nice and readable. If only Inkscape could output nice SVG like this!


Looks great!


Where did you see this? Elon's account looks fine and I'm not seeing any discussion on X about this.


Related discussion from yesterday: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=46735545



I always enjoyed D’Angelo Barksdale’s interpretation from The Wire:

> D’Angelo: "He’s saying that the past is always with us. Where we come from, what we go through, how we go through it—all that shit matters. Like at the end of the book, you know, boats and tides and all. It’s like you can change up, right? You can say you’re somebody new, you can give yourself a whole new story. But, what came first is who you really are, and what happened before is what really happened.

> And it don’t matter that some fool say he different ’cause the only thing that make him different is that he say it. But it ain’t the truth. Gatsby, he was who he was, and he did what he did. And because he wasn't willing to get real with the story, it caught up to him."

> Inmate: "So you're saying he couldn't get over?"

> D’Angelo: "No, I’m saying he was who he was. They found him out. They found him out in the end. And that’s what it is. You can’t get over. You can’t even get out."


The show itself was pretty good too.


My favorite scene in the show was two kids talking about Baltimore.

Don't you ever just want to get out?

Get out of what?


In one of the first seasons there was a kid that was a witness to a murder.

He got out of the city and was living with relatives in the countryside, he was safe.

I didn't understand why, but he came back to Baltimore and ended up getting killed. He could have just stayed where he was and lived out his life in peace.


Appears to be working now for me.

Edit: Down again.

Edit 2: Up again.


It's intermittent for me now, some requests go through if I refresh enough times, but no incident according to the status page still...



And as all of these earlier discussions it will get flagged to death by trump supporters or trump supporter bots.


It's not immediately clear to me why a news piece on a Salvadoran prison is relevant on HN, I guess that's why the flagging.


This forum discusses information freedom pretty much all day every day. Now we have a real world example of suppression of information in the US which is rather rare and people (see comments) using technology to evade it.


I wish when stories get flagged it would list who flagged them


why do you think it's because of trump supporters, I'm curious if you have evidence of trump affiliated suppression on HN (notwithstanding the actual segment which could certainly be said to be trump suppressed) - maybe people just don't want politics on here. in any case there's one: Cecot – 60 Minutes (archive.org), on the front page anyway.


Obviously, nobody but the HN admins/mods know about flagging or voting patterns, and they don't talk about the details when these kinds of events happen. The most you'll hear is "We looked at it and manually removed the flags." So, it is impossible to provide the evidence you are asking for.

You see this here with other topics, too, not just things some people dismiss as "political". Submit any article that criticizes a certain multi-company tech CEO and it will be instantly flagged off the main page.


so you don't know but you keep saying it's because of pro trumpers...? why spread misinformation. you could just say that it keeps getting flagged without lying.


We cant know for sure, because unlike dang we cannot correlate the flags. However, there is something called circumstantial evidence, which can even hold up in court.

You went from curious to accusation of misinformation and lying in just two comments. Thats concerning.


Since we are talking about circumstantial evidence, lets bring alternative theories to the table so that we know we are not excluding other explanations for the same data.

People who are afraid that they will get attacked if their views do not conform to the majority are more likely to flag an article and move on rather than engage with the discussion. Articles do not require 50% of the participants to flag it in order for it to get flagged, thus this minority will cause articles to get flagged. The more hostile the community get to dissenting opinions, the more articles get flagged, with the most heated topics getting the majority of flagging.


When a certain type of political commenting keeps getting repeatedly flagged, in this case things about oligarchs or conservatives who might have made mistakes and did bad things, it's pretty clear that it's probably conservatives who are complaining about it.


or, more likely - people are flagging because they don't even want politics on here to begin with


>or, more likely

Yes, argue against unsubstantiated bias with more unsubstantiated bias. Anyone who knows about the high percentage of educated immigrants in the tech sector and who knows the historical importance of immigrants to American innovation could easily find this highly relevant, especially the historical high ratio of successful immigrant founders in SV itself including a couple of white South Africans that come to mind -- at least one of which who seems to have had a less than by-the-book immigrant status and could have been deported in today's climate if someone wished it to be so.

The UK leaving the EU is one of the highest ranked stories on this site for similar reasons no doubt.


this is based on comments on the actual flagged articles - some people say why they flag you know.


But plenty of other politics regularly reaches the front page without flagging and has done so for years and years and years.


The first one is still on the front page.


It was flagged off the front page yesterday. I'm not sure for how long, but you can read discussion about this in the thread itself.


Fair point. There is actually a site that tracks this, and that post was off the front page for most of its existence:

https://news.social-protocols.org/stats?id=46361024


I doubt it's Trump supporters. One flagger who said why was he just flags anything that is politics and not 'hacking'. The official guide is

>Off-Topic: Most stories about politics, or crime, or sports, or celebrities, unless they're evidence of some interesting new phenomenon.

The longest discussion of a dozen or so was

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=46361024 (1543 points 530 comments)


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What does "the discord people" mean?


The people orchestrating these operations in the program discord.


is there a hacker news official discord or is there a private discord? How do you know about it and why does it matter


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Which ones are the best replacements for HN? Looking for recs


The grandfathering clause is the tell. If these drones were an active national security threat, they wouldn't let civilians keep flying them.

This looks like industrial policy masquerading as defense in order to clear the board for domestic manufacturers just as the Pentagon starts handing out contracts to politically connected players.

Case in point: Unusual Machines just secured a massive Army contract for drone motors. Their advisor and major shareholder? Donald Trump Jr. [0]. Banning the import of foreign "critical components" conveniently forces the market into their funnel.

[0] https://www.ft.com/content/4cedc140-4a02-4ab6-9f78-93dd8c51a...


agree re policy, but technically... it's possible that today's drones are OK but they're worried about future drones including something new...


If that was the reason, a case by case analysis would make more sense than blanket ban. There’s no plausible technical explanation for this that doesn’t apply to any other devices, components, or software. If it could be made dangerous in theory then preemptively assume it will maybe at some point and ban it.

This is from the same people who brought you “let’s break all your encryption because you might become a criminal in the future”.


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