Idk I try talk like cavemen to claude. Claude seems answer less good. We have more misunderstandings. Feel like sometimes need more words in total to explain previous instructions. Also less context is more damage if typo. Who agrees? Could be just feeling I have. I often ad fluff. Feels like better result from LLM. Me think LLM also get less thinking and less info from own previous replies if talk like caveman.

In the regular people forums (twitter, reddit), you see endless complaints about LLMs being stupid and useless.

But you also catch a glimpse of how the author of the complaint communicates in general...

"im trying to get the ai to help with the work i am doing to give me good advice for a nice path to heloing out and anytim i askin it for help with doing this it's total trash i dunt kno what to do anymore with this dum ai is so stupid"

The realization is LLMs are computer programs. You orchestrate them like any other program and you get results.

Everyone's interfaces, concept and desires are different so the performance is wildly varied

This is similar to frameworks: they were either godsends or curses depending on how you thought and what you were doing ..

I once (when ChatGPT first came out) launched into a conversation with ChatGPT using nothing but s-expressions. Didn't bother with a preamble, nor an explanation, just structured my prompt into a tree, forced said tree into an s-expression and hit enter.

I was very surprised to see that the response was in s-expressions too. It was incoherent, but the parens balanced at least.

Just tried it now and it doesn't seem to do that anymore.

Why say more word when less word do. Save time. Sea world.

You mean see the world or Sea World?

*dolphin noises*

Yes because in most contexts it has seen "caveman" talk the conversations haven't been about rigorously explained maths/science/computing/etc... so it is less likely to predict that output.

Fluff adds probable likeness. Probablelikeness brings in more stuff. More stuff can be good. More stuff can poison.

I think most people on enterprise-y systems wait for (at least) 26.04.1, the window is 3 years (when on 24.04, which is supported until ~2029-04-30, it's 1 year when on 22.04) starting now, hardly anyone switches immediately.

This is a very good point, however I'm on the other side of it (or at least across the boundary, perhaps not polar opposite).

Performance may be worth a lot today but I feel it will be less and less. I mean "we" don't like the "performance" of Windows (copilot everywhere, a setup process taking ages with dozens of offers you don't want), we don't like MacOS' performance (weird corners ;), inconsistent icons, icons disappearing behinds notches, no tiling)

I like Hackernews because it's so minimal, I just changed the bar to be gray instead of orange, otherwise it's perfect for my needs. Imagine some performer making this a beautifully crafted site, I'd go for any of the alternatives we see coming by every now and then.

Movies are perhaps different, although for me they are often about the lessons, did they change my view on things? That can often be condensed a lot more (for me that usually means drop a lot of the emotional finery, ie, I like TNG and Voyager more than Discovery because there is less crying and close-ups of crying people's eyes, ok, Discovery also has a lot less moral discussions).

Maybe I'm not normal, but to me my own UIs sound good, more efficient, more (useful-) information dense, so I need to spend less time navigating. It's why I use Nix and Gnome and (to a lesser degree) FireFox. It clicks more for me, but I can think of ways to improve them (yes I will soon try Niri). It's why people like chatting with their agents that are hooked into everything (Home Assistant to email to joblisting sites). Where's your beautiful UI in that workflow? Just give me a good API. Personal assistant/agents may be toys for nerds at the moment, but they're going to be big imho.

One argument against mine is perhaps that I also get used to tools and setups at some point, even though I don't consider them optimal at first, they become optimal. Perhaps because there is a deeper vision behind them.

All in all, perhaps we're both right. But people here seem to be very much on the company side (not surprising), but I don't care about your company, I care about information. That's why I have ad blockers, throw articles and long lists into LLMs and increase the contrast on your "beautiful" gray on gray text.

<devils-advocate-mode>Meh, more and more people will get information relevant to the decisions they have/want to make via their agents, not via your work-of-art-website. Deal with it.</devils-advocate-mode>

I've met people that fill a box of sushi to take home at the end of their “all you can eat” session because “they paid for it”. Shrug.

Yes and the staff will tell them to stop that or charge them extra for it.

Yes and they will hide their sushi-grabbing because somewhere deep inside they know it's not part of the deal, while at the same time still strongly feeling that they have indeed paid for it.

Ah, to be human!

I'd argue they hide their takeaway because of what GP comment said — not because of anything innate, but because a staff member will not let them.

I grew up in an Asian household of six. We definitely took food home at AYCE places. My parents definitely knew it wasn't OK, but they felt like they were gaming the system (like a dubious life hack of sorts) and saving money, so they were actually quite proud of it, bragging to friends how much they were able to get.

To be human indeed!

I assume it's not unusual for thieves to brag about their scores.

People brag about all sorts of things moral and immoral.

Calling them thieves is a bit harsh, it's not like they didn't pay for the food, just not able to transport it unless it's in your own internal containers.

Yes sorry, in case it wasn't clear, I wasn't agreeing with the commenter or calling my family thieves :) just because a restaurant kicks you out because you took too much food doesn't mean you're a criminal.

Ah to be inhuman!

Just curious, how does it work? Did you head to the restaurant with tupperware containers and hid them in bags or purses?

Zip lock bags and oversized purses

Ha, that's awesome! I am not judging, I totally can see some of my family members doing that, too.

In the Eastern Bloc states, it used to be so common for workers to steal from the workplace that new moral norms were established around this; if you're not stealing from work, you're stealing from your own family!

Goes to show just how fragile a high-trust society is. Theft and corruption can easily be normalized to such an extent that not participanting gets reframed as immoral.

The slogan of the Russian Revolution of 1917 was: "Factories to the workers, land to the peasants."

If the factory is yours, then everything inside is yours ;)

But it's funny how low wages under the broken Soviet economic system turned such things into a semi-official, informal work perks, allowing people to make ends meet.

It was less the low wages and more the general unavailability of things (shortages). Lots of things you couldn't just buy but you had to know somebody who knew somebody.

I wouldn't call it "funny" though. It ws quite sad and I'm glad it's over.

As I mentioned in another commebt, I don't even consider anything related to that to be a viable government system.

That said, the general unavailability of everything was caused by an incompetent government rather the the system itself but the system itself caused the government. My point is that it was a succession of demagogueries hiding personal interests that caused the recurring and unrecoverable tragedies of that state. Being controlled and misguided is not exclusive to any particular government or political system.

System consistently produced an incompetent government that had lots of power.

This is not false but totally an oversimplification.

I don't think communism is a good form of government and I don't think the soviet union was marching the right way.

But the biggest blunts came from other much more serious mistakes caused by politicians ignoring science, like the big famine and many others, including the Chernobyl connerie

Wow, I was just saying to a friend that I couldn’t understand people risking their jobs to steal stationery or toilet rolls from the workplace.

I guess if it’s your moral obligation to steal from the workplace it reframes it somewhat.

It is not a justification, but, it is not like Anthropic didn't pirate tons of books and burnt evidence... The only difference is that books don't have a terms of service

The cooperative and competitive sides of our soul fighting it out in a single situation

So needed. I just threw genebody_coverage and TIN out of RSeQC ;) Maybe they can come back now.

Well, the school of our kids blocks a lot of urls. Now they play the games via some url that goes like https://unblocked.something.something. These kids are not crazy.

That might slow them down.

Could any of the IT professionals, here, think of a way around it? Then likely the kids could.

They don't even have to think of a way around any of it. They just need to search online to find someone who has found a way around it. Or prompt AI to come up with a solution. And even if someone is so dull that they don't think about that, it will probably make it to them as the info spreads by word of mouth.

I started calling it LLM assisted coding. If you know what you’re doing but use LLMs to do tedious stuff and educate yourself on the unfamiliar bits you can move quite fast. The term vibe coding does not do that process justice imho.

> The term vibe coding does not do that process justice imho.

Well that's because actual vibe coding is a completely separate thing from "LLM assisted coding, know what you’re doing but use LLMs to do tedious stuff".

I'm not entirely sure what you mean by "started calling it", but vibe coding doesn't need a new name, it needs people to be clear about what they mean.

I think the jury is still out on this one, meaning people have different meanings when using the term "vibe coding".

OP says "vibe-coded months long project", imho that is not vibe coding? I'd say it's vibe coding if op does not know the programming language and just let the LLM write everything. This does not sound like it.

Vybrid coding :)

Well, it's a spectrum indeed, as everything is. As soon as we drawn lines the discussion start on where to draw them exactly. So it's, left to right:

One shotting --- vibe coding --- vybrid coding --- stack overflow assisted programming --- programming

Do we need any extra dimensions perhaps?

;)

Where I live this would be nice for about 6 months a year… Can they absorb heat the other 6? …Or, heat the shower water perhaps.

I think it is this indeed, it’s something decidedly different between me and my kids.

I’d add that I myself had a brief period during which I went from thinking “this is hard because I’m dumb” to “this is hard because it is indeed hard”. I felt like I grew up a little in those years as well (~35-ish?). I realized that grown ups and management are all just doing “something”. There is no grander scheme, no deeper understanding behind it. Like the veil was lifted and what was behind it was a bit disappointing, but I also felt that it could not have been any other way.

Somehow this realization also made me happier. It’s all something that you could have told me before but I would have never really felt it. All these lessons need to land in fertile soil. It takes some time and experiences for the soil to be ready.

If you're from a place like Malta it's basically the only way to do IT and perhaps "escape" it later.