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there is no proof of that whatsoever.

the internet is full of semi skilled "developers" who should never be developers in the first place.


did you just time travelled from 2010?

show me from which country or company did the Chinese copied their EV techs, batteries, drones, robotics etc. for their military gears, show me show they copied their J-36 and J-50 fighter jets, Type-055 destroyers, YJ-21 missile and the most recent 09x sub.

time to stop living your socially isolated life and start reading stuff other than whatever fed to you by your brainwashing media.


> VW ID.3

VW ID.3 is designed by a Chinese team in China, built in Shanghai backed entirely by the Chinese ecosystem.

You need to be totally blind to consider vw being able to design & produce such a car on its own. let's be straight - the software in the car is not something Germany can build on its own. That 20 years gap won't be filled overnight.


This is false, the ID.3 was designed primarily in Germany but they sell a model customised to the Chinese market. They're two different cars from different production facilities.

All the control modules for the German model at least are manufactured by Bosch and Valeo in France and Germany - where the software is also produced.

As an aside, Bosch produces control modules and the underlying software for just about every western car manufacturer. 80%+ cars sold worldwide use their traction control system for example so I'm not sure where this so-called gap is.


The kind of software needed in a car (minimal or ideally none at all except for DME and CarPlay display) is indeed not something that Germans were able to build on their own in the recent times.

That would be the case for the new China only Audi E5/E7X - they are just using the word AUDI on the car and not the iconic 4 rings.

It is made by SAIC using their factory and EV platform - it was just cheaper to outsource it and meet the deadlines and pricing.


> software in the car is not something Germany can build on its own

Chinese can't either. BYD is a joke. Zeekr is close, but still not quite there. Soon they'll be unstoppable tho.


Not according to what I've just read. It's sold in china via a joint venture with saic and seems to have been slightly redesigned for the china market.

What the hell are you talking about? Why are you lying?

ID.3 is a MEB car, its production started in Zwickau (Germany) in November 2019, two years before it even arrived to China, and one year before the SOP of ANY MEB car (ID.4 was the first one) in Anting (Shanghai).


I consider you as a victim of the brainwashing by your main stream media.

there are tons of western cars on Chinese roads, tesla was given free land and close to interest free loan to build its factory in Shanghai. there are numerous apple shops in China. guess how many Chinese cars are driving on US roads, how many Huawei phones are being sold in the US.

if you are open to the idea of jumping out of your comfort zone of your favourite brainwashing media, some westerner actually went to China and counted every single car at an intersection for 30 minutes with all brands summarised. over 40% are western cars.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WZKbEj39gEw&t=1496s

again - it is not your fault, you are the victim. I just feel sad for you.


deepseek is building an official coding harness, why would anyone waste time on such 3rd party toy when official one is coming probably in weeks?


boost the valuation of your company.


looks ugly.


which things? care to be more specific?


"56% of Germany's exports went to other EU countries in 2025" - because those products are no longer competitive in the open market.


Yeah, they're so uncompetitive that Trump had to introduce tariffs to keep them out. China is a different topic, but I wouldn't generally call German products uncompetitive...


The tariffs put on the US by Germany were higher than the other way around in some cases, even though the US wasn’t exporting such products in any significant amount.


Trump introduced tarrifs because of insane economic and political illiteracy and for no other reason.


Fox Mulder must be smiling


Fox News is smiling....


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