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Is Silicon Valley a success? I would argue it has been an abject failure on culture and society at large. It has generated money for people by stealing every bit of data it can, but that really isnt success but for the few who can put theor fingers on that money stream. It has provided little past doomscrolling and narcissism fodder.


Now do the tech industry (high paying American jobs)


Why is tech high paying exactly? Maybe low supply of qualified labor? Maybe that can be solved with qualified immigration? We can call such a program H1B, for example, and it would benefit the American economy overall at the cost of slightly reducing compensation fir the already extremely highly paying tech jobs.


@crossbody that makes too much sense though


Immigration is about short-changing the natives to make the billionaires wealthier, yes, we know.

People are also now learning this fact, which is why you’re getting unpalatable politicians elected.


"I'm being short-changed!" claims rich minority whose high pay even fresh out of university leads to SF rents being unafordable by key workers.

Irony is, that doesn't prevent such sentiments as yours leading to people like Trump. I had a chance to live in the USA years back, I'm glad I didn't bother to take it.


I didn’t say anything about tech workers.


Motte, Bailey. You responded in a thread about tech workers and H1Bs, on a tech forum.


> Now do the tech industry

Do you have numbers? If you don’t, the appropriate baseline is population.


Are convenience stores getting h1bs for their shelf stockers? How the hell is the baseline population an appropriate metric for evaluating a niche role?


Can we stop with politically divisive rage articles on a tech forum? I come here to escape political ragism polluting the internetsphere.


America got to the moon without H1-Bs. America doesn't need H1-Bs. America just needs a little wake up call, which the H1-Bs did. Now watch things unfold as an informed person.


> America got to the moon without H1-Bs.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Paperclip

From the linked article:

> The operation played a crucial role in the establishment of NASA and the success of the Apollo missions to the Moon.


Those are not H1-Bs.


tell me you've never opened a history book...


You mean the part where former HP exec Carly Fiorina said “Forget the engineers”?


Your opening statement is opinionated, factually incorrect, and unnecessarily divisive. Murder is not a matter of left or right as it stems from individual pathology, often tied to mental illness. Political affiliation is irrelevant in such cases.

Labeling and name-calling only deepen division and hostility. Conservatism, at its core, has historically meant preserving traditions, though its positions have shifted over time. Similarly, progressive movements have had both positive and negative impacts depending on the era.

I personally refuse to align fully with either side. What I do oppose is the deliberate incitement of hatred through oversimplification and demonization. That kind of rhetoric, not one’s political affiliation, undermines the principles America was built upon.


The problem with ant zoning laws is that they pick winners and losers. They need abolished state-wide to ever have a true affect. Otherwise, these limited pockets get bought up by investors and again, are limited to tiny areas. Abolish it state wide and people will over build and then true affordability will return.


This bill barely passed (they got a majority +1, which they needed to pass) so a further reaching bill might have been difficult to sell.

The LA area in particular, has some really bad elected officials in terms of housing.


> The LA area in particular, has some really bad elected officials in terms of housing.

LA in particular? Naaah, mate. Those elected officials are fucking everywhere.

Yours, an Eu resident.


In this case specifically, northern California was mostly in favor, and the wider LA area was mostly against. I almost said southern California, but actually San Diego was in favor too.


The optimistic view is that a lot of small spots of dense housing exposes more people to it, which in time could lead to more people being in favor of zoning additional land for dense housing


Correct, given that housing in one location is significantly fungible with housing in another location, barring some economic frictions. The total stock (both state-wide and nation-wide) is the metric that needs to be increased.


> Correct, given that housing in one location is significantly fungible with housing in another location, barring some economic frictions

What do you mean by economic friction, because in real estate, “location, location, location” is the most important phrase.

The economic opportunities available to someone in living within 1 hour of SF and San Jose are vastly different to someone living 4 hours away, hence the house in one location is not fungible with the house in another.

Even on the more local level, the school district a house is located in will make a big difference.


I think they're talking about a matter of blocks, not hours of transportation.


Is "ant" antiquated? Zoning is a good thing. If you abolished all zoning, construction would be completely disorganized as it was in the California Gold Rush.


Hypocrisy at its finest.


TSMC was funded by government. The cost requirement for new fabs is beyond the funding private enterprises can muster. Perhaps through funding, years down the road, it may make sense. This isn't about Intel IP, it's about manufacturing high end chips on US soil.


it's less than ideal to have the sole company capable of making the best chips 81 miles off the coast of China.


Yes, this is also about the non-existing level playing field. How can US win if countries like China don't play by the same rules?


Tariffs


what rules lol?


>car-centric encourages isolation Not in the slightest, in fact, growing up and just driving around when younger was exactly the peak of socialization. Being in a 15-minute city as a young adult would be horrifying, being exposed to the rampant crime, violent assaults and homeless open air drug use. You got it backwards my man. The proof is in the pudding.


Does it matter? Something else would be offset just the same.


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