The association between "patterns" and interpretation becomes an "object" when this is part of the larger scheme. When you've just got bits and you send them somewhere, you don't even have "data" anymore.
Even with something like EDI or XML, think about what kinds of knowledge and process are actually needed to even do the simplest things.
Sorry to say this but it sounds like you're not a right fit for startups. Startups aren't for everyone. If you want to be a founder it is absolutely a gut wrenching challenge. You have to put yourself out there and then be torn apart a million different ways. You have to adapt and change, listen to others. Be relentless. Work is a grind, you don't get to work on what's fun. You have to work on what's right. And if you can't get a very deep sense of fulfillment with all that sacrifice, it doesn't mean you're a bad person. It just means you should get a normal job, or be employee 100 at a company, just don't be a founder.
I'm curious about what you think is a way to actually get to work on what's fun. I know fun is a personal definition, but as I'm starting to build a product myself and I do find it fun and I'm doing it because I like it being fun, I hear this warnings and it kind of makes me think.
Of course I'm afraid I will fail, but I also don't think working at an office is fun, unless you get to work on a cool project and there's no politics (yeah right..) or something like that. But then if building a product yourself, on your own terms, with your own hands, etc, is not fun, then what is? And I don'mean to be rhetorical or sarcastic. I'm asking seriously.
With a lot of comments along the same lines as how hard it is because in the end it's business, what does it mean to build a product for fun, but where the business part is either not the most important part, or even present at all?
Would that be like building a product and giving it away, so it's actually only for fun?
I would think the most fun thing to do would be to join a startup that's doing something that gets you excited, that already has an awesome team, that's already validated the product and the market. At that point it's still a lot of work but at least you know what you're getting into, there's less banging your head against the wall, and you're just helping to make the rocket ship go.
I read that he's ok with doing all those you mentioned but had problem with adequate compensation with enough ownership in the startup. It's one thing to drink the Koolaid to toil away on someone else's idea and product direction with little or no pay nor sufficient equity. It's another thing to have the wisdom to walk away and pursue your own thing, even if that comes with all the problems of a startup.
Yeah, he's actually talked quite a bit about how Facebook constantly takes out startups and you never know when you're going to be next. What tragic luck! Hope he pulls through.
I knew what your photo would be before I clicked on it, and thus your defense is also 'formulaic'. One photo meme doesn't adequately counter the massive psychosocial influence of technology, good AND bad.
What a bunch of grumpy old men. I bet everybody sitting here taking shots at this app 1) have never created anything nearly as cool 2) would not have understood Apple in its hayday 3) spend too much time reading and taking shots at other people's work.
I'm all for being cynical and questioning what's out there but you have to let the good stuff through. The design here is first class. The Facebook guys have outdone themselves. Yes, it's a culmination of a large body of work that's come before with a few novel improvements. That's how art works. Quit bitching and do something useful.
Yeah, it's getting kind of old scrolling past 1200 pixels of cynical foot stomping and grumbling before getting to anything relevant to the post. Yes, we needed all of that insightful talk about how bad hipsters suck and how marketing grumble grumble grumble.
I'm not convinced that I like Facebook or any of my friends content enough to want ANOTHER channel of absorbing it. However, the app seems to be beautifully executed and the marketing page is pretty flawless. Some of the memory concerns aside, I love when companies create those kinds of landing pages. Like this one: http://www.knocktounlock.com/
Unrelated comment, but why is it becoming a design trend now to hide the scrollbars on websites? Luckily I accidentally hit the space bar, so I saw there was more content there, but without that I would have had no idea there was more information. I've seen this happen on a number of sites, so I don't think it's just Chrome failing to render the site. I just don't understand what possible reason there could be to deliberately hide the scroll bar.
I agree, I hardly use Facebook anymore. But I'm still open minded enough not to disparage everything the company does on some kind of misguided principle.
Based on what they present, the concept highly depends on the content. This poses an issue that is not touched upon at all in their presentation. So mentioning / discussing it on HN is in my opinion relevant.
With the number of comments about never having seen/used a typewriter before, I'm guessing they're mainly grumpy young people.
I'm not at all a fan of facebook, but the design here is really solid and the marketing sells it quite well. I wonder if the Instagram team worked on this.
