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Ask HN: Does your dog have a theory of mind?
8 points by lowdose on Jan 4, 2020 | hide | past | favorite | 3 comments
Recently my dog has found a new level trick to get the playing going. He basically goes to another part of the house pushes that door closed and waits behind it until we discover him. All while making sounds, peaking behind the door, closing and opening it again and again. This is 100% playful behavior but on Google I only find explanation of anxiety and stress related causes. I hesitate to interpret this as intelligent behavior and project a theory of mind on it but it sure is a nice surprise.


My dog has been known to be more perceptive and cunning than humans at times (including me), so I'd have to say yes.

It ultimately depends on the breed, upbringing, the dog's individual personality, and so on. Generally speaking however, there's a mountain of empirical evidence that demonstrates how extraordinary canine intelligence can be.

Humans have a rather long history of discounting other species' intelligence, and it seems as time progresses we learn just how wrong we were. I was reading an article the other day about how turtles of all species are actually much more intelligent than previously thought, in part due to flawed behavioral studies in the 1950s and 60s. They aren't even mammals. It makes one wonder:

I eat meat. I enjoy it. If anything I'm aware of how unethical it is, but I currently rationalize its consumption partly as a tacit acknowledgement of how dark and broken the world is, and partly for nutritional and cognitive health reasons.

Yet, it's still terrifying to think that if you remove the notion of humans being unique in our ability to experience suffering—not only physical pain, but notably psychological pain—we're essentially inflicting what amounts to large-scale genocide of creatures with feelings, on a daily basis. It's suffering on a scale that is incomprehensible.

To circle back to the topic at hand, it's curious that consumption of canine meat is considered highly immoral or more commonly is outright illegal in the majority of the civilized world. Yet, use of other mammals as livestock—mammals who arguably exceed canine intelligence in many instances—is widely accepted.

I think that dissonance underscores just how badly we've failed in recognizing intelligence beyond that of our own species. Intelligence, the capacity for suffering, sentience—it all has been unduly anthropomorphized.


Interesting take. I'm also a huge carnivore, to me there's nothing better than a rare ribeye or filet. It's going to be interesting to see how the synthetic meat movement develops. If they could "print/grow" filet mignon's and at a "frozen burger price," I feel like I'd be happy to switch.


Well, I encourage you to stop supporting the animal-killing industries! As more and more people are doing. Butchers and ads for eating lambs will start to appear remarkably macabre. I did almost 30 years ago, haven't missed "meat" at all, not once. Even the production of cow's milk nowadays is very ugly–keeping cows pregnant and killing their babies to keep their milk flowing–so I went vegan. No trouble at all. It quickly becomes a habit, like anything else, and I never think about it, except once every couple of years writing a comment like this!




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