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iPadOS 15 (apple.com)
59 points by easton on June 7, 2021 | hide | past | favorite | 109 comments


This is seriously underwhelming.

I've been sitting on $2000 on an Apple gift card I wanted to spend on a top spec M1 iPad Pro to watch TV shows at home and take with me on travels if I need to debug issues in production or come up with a quick fix while sitting in an hotel room or a coffee shop. I was hoping iPadOS 15 would get the device closer to a Mac or make running Docker or VSCode easier without jumping through hoops with VPSs, but alas, seems like Tim Cook doesn't care that he's got a tablet that's incredibly fast, more so than most laptops, and that it's kept back by its amateurish operating system. Does "Pro" mean anything at Apple anymore?

I have a powerful desktop I love, and no mobile computing device are worth my money these days. I don't need a laptop with full keyboard and trackpad when I have a $5000 desktop at home and work outside 2 days a month; tablets have crap hardware if it's not Apple, or have the least powerful OS if you want to stay in the walled Apple garden.

I'll use the gift card to buy my mum and I an iPhone 12 and I'll get an Android tablet with a crap CPU that lets me run whatever I want. I hate having to compromise.

EDIT: clarified why a laptop isn't a viable alternative for me


I've seen this opinion quite a lot recently, and I don't really understand - why do you want the iPad to be a Mac?

For me the iPad Pro is a great creative device that is surprisingly capable in a variety of other ways. I use mine for programming with ease but my workflow of using Vim over mosh/tmux in blink.sh supports that. If I was looking for a portable programming machine I'd just buy a MBA I guess.

I think the iPad Pro is great at what it does. It's an excellent portable creative device that can also be used casually. Not everything needs to be targeted towards every use-case.

FWIW I like what I've read of iPad OS 15 so far. The multitasking changes should improve things.


Why does software engineering never get included in the “creative” category?

I would love, for my personal use, to replace my MBP with an iPad but it just won’t be possible until there is some method for executing arbitrary code, which I see as a requirement for software engineering. Even if they just made Virtualization.framework available so you could spin up a Linux VM so things were totally sandboxed, I would be able to actually use the thing as a computer.

The reason for preferring this over a MBP comes down to several reasons: touch, form factor, pencil support and honest for “everyday” use, iPadOS is better than macOS.


Speaking of, Microsoft, surprisingly, already supports WSL on Windows on ARM: https://www.thomasmaurer.ch/2019/12/how-to-install-wsl-2-on-...

And the Linux distros available there are true ARM64.


> Why does software engineering never get included in the “creative” category?

Well, it's not high-status enough. Creatives have art gallery showings and groupies and die of drug overdoses on their private planes. No software engineer has ever done this.


I'm in a similar position, and I do use a Mac instead (because the developer tools I rely on won't run on an iPad). I guess the root issue is I do like the touch/pen interface for creative apps (instead of a desktop interface), just not enough to justify buying / carrying around / keeping in sync a third device in addition to a laptop and a phone.

But the iPad hardware is more than fast enough for my development tasks, and the screen size is large enough (and at home I use an external monitor anyway).

So the ideal device I'd like to buy would basically be the iPad hardware with Mac software capabilities. Obviously the current iPad works for a lot of people, so it would be fine if this was separate product. But it's a bit disappointing that it doesn't exist at all since it seems like it would be a (relatively) small amount of work for a company like Apple now that iPad/Mac hardware is very similar and Macs can run iPad apps.


What stops the iPad from being able to do these things? What actual restriction is there?


Product positioning and target market.

There is a reason why Apple is a 2 trillion company, the best in consumer satisfaction and made technology easy and accessible to toddlers and grandparents worldwide.

It never amazes me that HN crowd doesn’t understand this and keeps moaning that the latest iPad doesn’t run Kubernetes. Seriously?!


> the best in consumer satisfaction

I can see many non-satisfied customers in this comment section, are their opinions invalid? It amazes me that there's a whole crowd on HN ready to make excuses in every thread for a 2 trillion company, as if they haven't got the resources.

I don't see so many people running to apologise and do PR for free for Microsoft or Google.


> I can see many non-satisfied customers in this comment section

It's called a biased sample and has nothing to do with a genuine, general population customer satisfaction.

What makes it more biased is people are complaining about a product that is _NOT_ made for them.

> It amazes me that there's a whole crowd on HN ready to make excuses

(-‸ლ)

I have these discussions every year when a new iPadOS/iPad comes out [1], people complaining they can't run Kubernetes or do troubleshooting with MAC address access on an iPad.

My point is that in marketing (what Apple is genius at), there are such things as product positioning and target market.

Technical crowd often forgets this, and as per comments here, they'd be happy to ram iPad with never ending list of features.

iPad is not made for them. Macs are. Want to get a portable Docker developer machine? Macbook Air is cheaper and lighter than a 12.9 iPad Pro + keyboard.

I'm not making excuses for them, I understand Apple's positioning, and I understand what they're doing from marketing/business point of view.

[1] - https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=22616352


A pencil would be pretty ridiculous for the iPad, after all artists are not Apple's target group. Oh wait, we have have one, and suddenly the iPad is one of the best devices for artists. For developers it's even easier, because the hardware is already there. Why shouldn't I be able to run Kubernetes? Isn't the iPad Pro the "fastest iPad ever made"? I have the device, now let me use it. Fun fact: other iPad users will not be affected by my ability to run Kubernetes or Docker or whatever.


I remember when Apple treated developers like first class citizens, now they see them as a cost center that cost them 70% of App Store revenue.


Personally, I’d like to run a processing JavaScript server with a Typescript compiler.


> $2000 on an Apple gift card I wanted to spend on a top spec M1 iPad Pro to watch TV shows at home and take with me on travels if I need to debug issues in production or come up with a quick fix

You want to spend $2000 to watch TV at home not on a TV? How would both of these desires not be significantly better satisfied by an M1 Air?

> A laptop is too much

Too much what? The Air costs _less_ than the 13" iPad Pro.


> A laptop is too much

I don't mean price. I mean I don't need a keyboard. A tablet is the perfect form factor for consuming media 99% of the time, and a whole laptop I'd use for 1% of the time ain't worth the money. I need a mobile device I can attach to a keyboard and do "Pro" work 5 hours a month, is that much to ask?


> "I need a mobile device I can attach to a keyboard and do "Pro" work 5 hours a month, is that much to ask?"

I think it's a bit of a niche use case when that pro work is software development. They can't please everyone - the design is targeted for consumption and art with some rethinking about UI for a tablet device around basic usage that's distinct from a standard laptop OS.

I'd guess for 98% of users that's what they've built and their keyboard attachment allows many of them to do their work like tasks (writing/email and such).

For devs they make laptops and macOS designed for that.


That's the entire point. You can please everyone. Just allow other OS options on the Ipad pro.


The culture that would do that without recognizing why it's not as simple as 'just allowing' something is what leads to every tablet except the iPad sucking.

They want the quality bar to be high - they make different products for different purposes.


Ipad is one of the sucky tablets. The only tablets worth anything are the windows tablets like the Surface Pros or the thinkpads.

Besides I don't see how allowing an option to install any OS you want brings down the quality of a product. If you don't want it because you feel it's low quality. Ok that's fine. Just use iOS.


Except the windows tablets suck as tablets. The touch ecosystem is barren because a lot of services just expect you'll use the website or the desktop app.


I disagree. There indeed are a lot of programs which are not touch optimized. But if that's not a fair comparison since you can't do those things on an ipad at all. If you restrict the functionality of the windows tablet to the very small subset of ipad activities then the windows tablet does not fare badly.


Yes it is. It's not just stuff like Visual Studio or Adobe Illustrator lacking touch optimized programs that aren't available on iPad, it's lacking key basics like Kindle, Comixology, Disney+, etc. They either expect you to use the website or the desktop app which isn't as good an experience as an iPad or Android tablet when only using your fingers.


I use the Kindle app very often and it works perfectly fine with touch. I have never used Disney+ but I doubt they don't work with touch. Comixology is not available on windows but Cover is a perfect alternative designed with touch in mind. From your comment it seems you didn't actually even try any of the softwares you listed.


Nope. I have. That's why I know.

D+ doesn't let you download shows for offline viewing in the browser, only apps. Cover is not an alternative to Comixology because it doesn't work with most Comixology purchases. Kindle desktop app has settings hidden away in the file bar, requiring awkward touches or a mouse to use.


You'll be less happy when the NAND wears out from running an OS tuned for enterprise HDDs.


osx is not tuned for enterprise HDDs. In fact I don't think there is any OS tuned for enterprise HDDs by default in existence.


Server OSes are, and pro software development could definitely involves some server VMs, or a lot of compiling.


Server OSes are not tuned for enterprise spinning rust drives by default. If not mind pointing me towards a "server OS" image I can download right now that will destroy SSDs out of the box?

Besides even if that were the case. People have no issue running these "server OS" on their laptops which almost always contain an SSD.


> I have a powerful desktop I love, and no mobile computing device are worth my money these days. I don't need a laptop with full keyboard and trackpad when I have a $5000 desktop at home and work outside 2 days a month; tablets have crap hardware if it's not Apple, or have the least powerful OS if you want to stay in the walled Apple garden.

VNC? RDP? Shell? One or more of those plus a local iOS code editing program with remote-file capability, if you can't stand typing input latency? If your desktop's $5,000, and you have it set up the way you want for work, and we're only talking a couple days a month....


Exactly my setup. I use my iPad quite happily for programming on those odd days by just remoting into my desktop. I hate setting up multiple dev environments anyway so I consider this a plus. It works totally fine. Less annoying than I find most laptops tbh.


Ditto


I'm not sure why a laptop isn't viable for you given your description, especially given the fact that the official Apple magic keyboard + iPad Pro 13 is actually heavier (!) and bulkier than the comparatively priced M1 Macbook Pro. That is, unless you actually want the digital art features of the iPad.

If I were in your shoes, I'd wait for the anticipated Macbook Pro 14/16 with the post-M1 CPU.


Simply because a laptop has an entirely different form factor and thinner. I mostly consume media laying down on my bed with a tablet in my hand, and a keyboard is 15 cm of accessory I do not need and makes it awkward to hold. A keyboard is 50% of the device's size which I would realistically use 0.5% of the time. Why do I need to have a physically awkward device when the only thing that stops me from using more appropriate devices is Apple's short-sightedness and lacklustre software department?

I don't need a 14/16 inch laptop to watch TV shows. And there is no touch screen on a MacBook Pro either.


I've seen this opinion quite a lot recently, and I don't really understand - why do you want the iPad to be a Mac?

For me the iPad Pro is a great creative device that is surprisingly capable in a variety of other ways. I use mine for programming with ease but my workflow of using Vim over mosh/tmux in blink.sh supports that. If I was looking for a portable programming machine I'd just buy a MBA I guess.

I think the iPad Pro is great at what it does. It's an excellent portable creative device that can also be used casually. Not everything needs to be targeted towards every use-case.


Why not? It has the power. It can use keyboards and mice now. Plus Android and Chrome tablets can do everything so at this point it's a little embarrassing IMO.

I tried emacs over mosh for a while. It mostly worked, but there would be occasions when my Mac mini's network dropped and never recovered and then I can't do anything without heading home. Plus I would just have to live with things like shuffling that PDF I made in LaTeX over somehow because I couldn't actually see it.

I prefer the iPad to Macs. I'd rather have the flexibility and portability of a tablet than a laptop. Apple's software holds back amazing hardware with arbitrary decisions. In the end I sold my iPad Pro and switched to Android.


I am in the same boat as you and so tired of people telling me to just get a Macbook... I don't want a laptop.


Apple's target customer for the iPad Pro is not software engineers trying to run Docker.

It's creative professionals who are using it for audio production, video editing, photography, content creation etc.

Apple sells the Mac for people who want to do software engineering which includes a Terminal, Virtualisation support etc.


But don't they ALSO sell the Mac for creative professionals who are using it for audio production, video editing, photography, content creation etc.

Why can't the iPad do software engineering stuff too?


Consider a remote execution and editing environment like GitHub CodeSpaces


Considering M1 is one of the fastest CPUs in single core, that makes no sense economically.


"Pro" has lost its meaning in the last decade. It has become a marketing buzzword that means "premium" instead of "for professionals".


Apple didn't release much of anything "Pro" in 2011. They still sold the cheesegrater with a year old chip and some laptops. No "Pro" iPad or iPhones back then.

https://everymac.com/systems/by_year/macs-released-in-2011.h...

https://everyi.com/by-year/ipod-iphone-ipad-models-released-...


Or, perhaps consider that there are other kinds of professionals out there aside from software developers.


As a software developer there is nothing worse than other software developers.

They actually think that every computing product needs to be built for them and that anyone who doesn't need virtualisation, multiple monitors etc does not have "real computing needs".


It's beyond Apple, "pro" nowadays is used to describe service subscriptions, golf clubs, earphones, etc.


This is getting stupid. Newest iPad Pros with M1 obviously have the capability to do so much more, yet the OS holds it back. Are Federighi and Temus still on speaking terms?

Instead of proper multitasking, virtualization and external monitor support, we just gain new and iPad-only gestures to learn and memorize. The iPads, especially iPad Pros, have become an increasingly complicated method of computing. I thought their emphasis was on making computing more accessible/approachable to everyone.


> Newest iPad Pros with M1 obviously have the capability to do so much more, yet the OS holds it back.

Holds it back from what?

> Instead of proper multitasking, virtualization and external monitor support,

Why not use a laptop if you want these?

> we just gain new and iPad-only gestures to learn and memorize.

That’s the opposite of what they just announced. The new features can be accessed through visual UI elements which addresses people’s chief complaint about iOS multitasking.

> The iPads, especially iPad Pros, have become an increasingly complicated method of computing.

Less complicated than if they just added all the features of a desktop computer.


I get that I'm a rather niche user, but I'm a physicist who makes heavy use of an iPad Pro for handwritten notes.

When I'm not at my desktop computer, I don't see why I shouldn't be able to write an run code on my iPad. For instance, Wolfram already has a working Mathematica kernel on iPadOS and iOS, but because of Apple's rigid restrictions on running code on i-devices, they've only publicly released their CDF player and Wolfram Cloud apps, rather than a full on version of Mathematica. There's no reason for this other than Apple's restrictions.

Because of Apple's restrictions on this, I own both a Macbook Pro and an iPad but this feels artificial and unnecessary. As time goes on, I'm feeling more and more alienated by Apple and likely once my current devices reach the end of their lives, they'll be replaced by something from outside of Apple's ecosystem.


This is exactly the problem. The app store being the only distribution method for iPad OS means that Apple controls everything that is possible on iPad OS.

The problem is iPadOS drastically fails at simple tasks all the time - I wanted to print a shipping label the other day that I got in an email - sounds simple? Not on iPad! Tap print, see the AirPrint printer, tap print, and I get a 100% fill UPS label. I could download an app like Pages, drop in the image, setup the formatting then print. But it was literally easier to just open my mac, change one option and press print.

It looks like iOS 15 finally adds print options, but how could this have taken 15 years to have printer options…

I really love using my iPad for whatever I can. But the random missing features and “iPad simplicity” frustrations are incredibly annoying.


Oh, I also have a physics background, and I have been waiting for CDF type ideas to become mainstream for almost 10 years now since I finished at MIT and first asked about the iPad to Wolfram’s team.

Obviously, digital documents of the future will have graphs and data that can be manipulated while standing and sharing, and it could be done now if Apple would flip a few bits and remove some restrictions.

It is an exciting future for communication and information exchange, and I’m sure this will happen as people catch up to how great of a user experience that would be (versus sitting and reading documents and manipulating plots on a desktop or laptop) - especially in a noisy environment where standing and movement are necessary.


I've never liked how multitasking works on the iPad and I can imagine trying to code on it being a poor experience. This is even worse with the simplistic file management.

I'm actually glad the iPad keeps it simple, as every time I try to code or use the files app on my Chromebook, its extremely irritating.


I've written an run code through remote Pluto.jl notebooks and Jupyter Notebooks, locally through iSH.app, and remotely through mosh and it's certainly not a perfect experience, but it's pretty serviceable.

Especially now that the new M1 iPads have so much ram, background tasks won't get frozen nearly as often so that alone will improve the multitasking experience, let alone the new stuff they're adding in iPadOS 15.

Honestly though, I'm fine with it not being a perfect experience, as long as I can actually do it if I need to do it. But I guess apple is saving me from myself by forcing me out of their ecosystem.


And Apple's restrictions on code execution are there for a reason.

Without it the entire App Store review model falls apart as anyone could submit an app that does X and then in reality does Y. And due to the way Objective-C works there are no static analysis tools that can work upfront to fix this.

So they have a choice between losing customers like you and keeping the many more who prefer the way the iOS app ecosystem works.


I think it's less about the review model, and more about the revenue model.

For safety purposes, presumably code executing apps could just be sandboxed and only interact with the file system in very limited ways and be pretty safe.

On the other hand, the App store is a revenue generating behemoth due to their internal monopoly. I think the reason Apple doesn't allow me to execute arbitrary code inside a container is that they're afraid of people circumventing their App store and distributing money makers like games and such without Apple collecting their cut of the revenue.


You didn't address my point at all.

Code execution allows you to pretend to be a flashlight app during the app review process, pass any automated tests and then at runtime download code from the web to execute. And since this allows you to add new functionality on the fly pretty soon every app would move to this approach.

This then opens up an entirely new security vector which is hijacking/MITM servers so that you can inject your code in place of the app developer's code. Thus instantly turning that app into one giant code execution farm for Bitcoin mining, DDOS etc.

You can either have an app review process or code execution. Not both.


My point was that I don't believe this is Apple's primary motivation.

If Apple wanted to allow arbitrary code execution, they could have an entirely separate category of app for it that includes warning labels, and requires the developer to justify to Apple why their app requires arbitrary code execution in order to function.

If someone submitted a flashlight app that requested this capability they could just deny it. E.g. they could say that the only valid justification for allowing arbitrary code to run is for developer applications that are meant to be running user written code.

Apps in this category could be forced to pay extra to apple in order for Apple to pay for special, ongoing scrutiny for security reasons. They might even do things like require that the app publisher be well recognized and have some sort of provable, good track record of not releasing malware.

Arbitrary execution is not incompatible with review, it makes it harder.


> Arbitrary execution is not incompatible with review, it makes it harder.

Given that nobody has solved the problem of malware, but Apple does better than anyone else. It’s fairly obvious that making it harder would make things worse.

Having said that, I too would like to see some form of code execution on the iPad.


> Holds it back from what?

Being a full-fledged computer.

> Why not use a laptop if you want these?

What if I want a tablet I can dock and turn into a laptop or workstation? The M1 iPad Pro would be a perfect competitor to the likes of the Surface Pro, if the OS weren't holding it back.


I don't get it: Apple are not selling the iPad as that.


The iPad will NEVER be a full-fledged computer. Never ever. By design. The same way Apple will never make a phone or watch that is a full-fledged computer. In their view it is not what padds are. Full stop.

Personally, I like it this way. I can understand why some others would not. For them, there are other vendors making pads that fulfill their needs.


Can it at least do basic every day tasks that most people would not get frustrated as hell trying to use?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_dWhwAhpZGs


> Never ever.

Design and business are not absolute truth.


Now that the inner hardware is basically the same as with the macbook air, and only form factor and OS differ, it seems logical to ask whether we could have the common inner hardware with an ipad form factor and macos capabilities. I want to program in clojure and use the pencil with procreate, while travelling. I’d love that to be a reality.


I wanna run Intellij on my iPad Pro. Is that too much to ask really?


Yes - the whole point of the iPad is not to just drag along all the legacy software as is, but to build a new platform.


Be nice if they offered some fancy laptop like keyboard you could dock this into and it could boot into MacOS and then those who have the M1 Laptop who lament it has no touch screen would be happy and those who want best of both worlds, would get that.


Its so they can give MS a bone with the 2in1s since there is no other choice. Them being Stalking Horse and all.


Interestingly, Swift Playgrounds can now be used to create full iOS apps and submit them to the App Store, and has some connectivity with XCode on the Mac. No mention of technical details (git? run apps on your iPhone?) but Apple is sticking a toe into using the iPad for writing code.

(No Objective-C and SwiftUI only).


I’m curious how much Xcode Cloud has to play a role in the process or if it can be done entirely on device.


Now that macOS 12 beta on M1 can virtualize both Linux and macOS 12 guests, why not enable virtualization on iPad Pro M1 hardware with 16GB RAM? Are VMware & Parallels not interested in the iPad Pro market? They can charge premium app prices, desperate developers will pay. Even a non-GUI shell for running local services in a VM would be a huge step forward.

VMs help developers build iPad apps, they pose no threat to the iPad native app store.

VMs enable experiments, the best of which can be incorporated by Apple into iPad OS.

https://twitter.com/zhuowei/status/1402004538194808833


I don’t think that most of the people who complain about multitasking on the iPad actually use it regularly.

It works very well in my experience and the stuff they’ve added in iPadOS 15 are great quality of life improvements.

Very happy with the developer beta so far, although it has only been a few hours.


I don’t think that most of the people who complain about multitasking on the iPad actually use it regularly.

Of course not, why would I when the UI sucks so much? "Use it regularly" can also be translated to mean "use it until you memorize the UI gestures that Apple half-assed". I had an easier time memorizing block syntax in Objective-C. It's like vim, only for multitasking on tablets.


I really don’t understand what parts of it people think is so bad. Drag an app from your dock to one side of the screen when you have another app open.

Swipe the middle bar to resize the two windows.

I don’t think that should take more than a few minutes for most people to grasp. Honestly it is even simpler than desktop window management.


> I really don’t understand what parts of it people think is so bad. Drag an app from your dock to one side of the screen when you have another app open.

Most of my apps are not in the dock. There should be an obvious way to initiate multi tasking that includes selecting any app on your iPad - maybe splitting/resizing your single full screen app by dragging from either side of the screen to reveal the app drawer, where one could select an app to fill the space. Of course there would be conflicts with existing gestures. Just thinking out loud here.

edit: Apparently that's how it works in iPadOS 15 [1]:

> Access to all apps

>

> When you enter Split View, the app moves aside to reveal the Home Screen, giving you access to all Home Screen pages and the App Library.

[1] https://www.apple.com/ipados/ipados-preview/features/


As the most valuable company in the world, the bar is very high for apple. When they replaced the home screen with swipe up, they succeeded that change tremendously.

The multi-task gestures - Not much success at all. It shouldn't require a manual and practice to use this.


After playing around with it for a bit I agree. The main improvement is actually using the homescreen as the app selector. Using spotlight was fine when you have a keyboard, but multitasking without a keyboard was pretty terrible on iOS 14.

The only thing I am still trying to grasp is the “shelf” - I see it keeps things like mail compose windows open…but I have been unable to figure out how you are supposed to get back to them later, other than leaving the app and coming back…


In general: try tapping the dots at the top of the app, or tapping the app's icon in the dock.

For Mail specifically: there's an icon in the lower-right of the sidebar that looks like two squares, one on top of the other- try giving tapping that.


iPad OS's multi-tasking patterns suck. I can never figure out how to have a juxtaposed safari instance.. Heck I think even now, I have two safari tabs shelved, from when I somehow triggered multi-task gestures on them..

just give me the normal desktop paradigms for multi-tasking. Don't need some contrived "tablet oriented" pattern developed by some UX person at Apple.

I don't want to learn you sht. I just want it to work. Learn it from the team that developed the swipe up for home pattern.. they got it figured out!


I trigger multitasking by accident sometimes. It's a pain. I guess I should learn the gestures just so I know how to make it go away, rather than swiping all over the place fruitlessly.

I'm the opposite of the "make it like a desktop!" crowd. I miss iOS 6 and IMO everything since then's been a mixed bag of "OK, that's better" and "no no no you're making it worse". I just want a smart slab of glass that becomes different things. Not another normal computer.


I trigger multitasking by accident sometimes.

I got fed up with it enough to just turn it off (Home Screen & Dock/Multitasking/Allow Multiple Apps). The modest advantages didn't even come close to offsetting the annoyance of accidentally triggering it then having to stop the workflow to unfcuk Apple's poor UI.


Hold tab -> drag to one side of the screen. I don’t know how much closer to “just works” it can get.

Or, open app drawer, long press safari, use menu that pops up to launch a new window.

Multitasking on iPadOS is not very complicated and the features they announced today are going to make it even easier.


then sometimes I'll get a floating safari window. I hate how I can't define the precise dimension I want for those panes. If I drag and flick it too fast, it flies off the screen.

A few hours later, I'll find those windows that flew away shelved in some magical space.


This. Accidentally appeared floating window and closing it is frustrating me.


And how easy is it when Safari isn't in the dock?


Honestly not sure how it works now, I can’t imagine there are many people out there that without safari on their dock.

If you actively have safari open it should be in the ‘recent apps’ section of the dock anyways, I don’t think you can turn that off.

Now in 15 there is a button at the top of the window you can press that takes you to the Home Screen to open any app you want next to your current app.


You can long-tap an app icon to show all the open windows.

It appears the new Shelf feature will make this more transparent.


I'd LOVE to have vscode (and/or JetBrains) native on M1 iPad Pro. But Apple won't allow it, or XCode on their iPad Pro.


I for one am very glad I don’t have to endure any Java Swing or Electron UI, thank Apple. The good thing for you is, there’s always a Microsoft Surface if you’re unhappy with Apple’s products. I think it runs both JetBrains IDEs as well as VS Code.


If only Apple would sell their M1s to Microsoft so they could install it into their tablets.


This feels a lot like the incremental changes we've seen in the previous years - promises of multitasking and juggling windows and other minor tweaks, but not delivering what I actually want, which is something closer to a regular laptop. In practice, I've found their paradigms simply don't work well - these custom interactions Apple has designed for the tablet are unnecessarily different. So rather than intuitively navigating between apps and staying productive, I am fighting the unnatural mode of multitasking forced on me. The rest of the feature list on this page are just enhancements to existing "app" capabilities like Facetime or iMessage, and that's not really what I was expecting or hoping for in an iPad update, especially given where the M1's performance is. What I really want is an unlocked iPad Pro with a desktop-class OS.


I recently purchased an M1 iPad Pro 11" + Magic Keyboard, aware of the OS limitations.

After using that combo for a few weeks, I can say it replicates 80% of what I can do on my iMac desktop at similar efficiency (sometimes faster), with most of the missing 20% being coding-related tasks that can be worked-around in the meantime (e.g. GitHub Codespaces). Although this iPadOS update did not shift the bar much on that missing 20% and overall was in line with my expectations, Apple definitely has heard the complaints by now and might try to push some updates into a 15.X release sooner than iPadOS 16.

I'm still pretty happy with my purchase. At the least, the M1 iPad Pro is extremely future-proof for whatever Apple tries to do.


> Although this iPadOS update did not shift the bar much on that missing 20% and overall was in line with my expectations, Apple definitely has heard the complaints by now and might try to push some updates into a 15.X release sooner than iPadOS 16.

Sorry, but your comment reads like the textbook definition of sunk cost fallacy. There is no proof whatsoever Apple has heard any complaint and will make your iPad closer to the iMac in a 15.x release, nor ever at all.

I'd expect one to be extremely disappointed if their device did 80% of what it could theoretically do, and Apple didn't show any single improvement on that in their yearly conference.


It's more that the weaknesses in iPadOS have received unanimous disdain by influencers who help sell the hardware, which is one of the factors that Apple does listen to (e.g. resulting in the iMac Pro and Mac Pro), and the pandemic/WFH likely affected the dev cycle a bit as it has with almost every other tech company.

That's why I think the time table will get pushed up for more pro iPad features.


No multi-user support? Meh.


It's almost like they continue to add nothing of value on purpose because it's admission they screwed up - they should have a tablet with macOS by now, including this feature.


iPad is a multi-billion dollar business which is still growing.

Must be hard for them to screw up this badly.


Money is not the only metric for a product's success, and it's current growth is severely limited compared to where it could be.

iPad and iPad OS are designed entirely to siphon money from an existing core user base, while offering the user no freedom or power.

It may be an unbelievably slick consumption product, but it fails miserably at championing what a mobile computing device can be.


In this case, revenue = device sales = popularity.

So you may think that you know more about product management and how to sell devices than Apple but given their experience it's a pretty tall claim.

Because freedom and power comes with tradeoffs. And many of those tradeoffs which come from multiple app stores, code execution etc are pretty unpalatable to most people.


Multi-user support is _never_ going to be implemented in iOS devices. There is a slim chance for iPadOS.

The amount of people who actually need a multi-user phone/tablet is a fraction of a fraction of the 600M userbase of Apple devices.


huh, what do you mean by that? multiuser support in ios has been there for ages already.


So there is a an OS level interface to change between multiple users, each with a separate profile isolated from the others?

Where?


https://support.apple.com/guide/mdm/shared-ipad-overview-cad...

Basically, the OS level interface is there, and you are not allowed to use it if you are neither a school nor an enterprise.

edit: i agree with your “won’t happen” sentiment, its just that this is a pure iOS licensing restriction.


It’s the weirdest feeling when you’ve been working on an iPad all day with the Magic Keyboard and apps like Blink (ssh), Working Copy (git) and Textastic, and finally return to a Macbook: FREEDOM at last! Like you’ve spent working in a crippled environment all day jumping through all kinds of hoops to do the simplest things.

So annoying, with such a powerful machine…


Looking forward to trying out the new multitasking features. They seem to be an improvement of iPadOS 14, and require fewer gestures. The window management looks a little confusing, so I’ll have to give it a shot to see if it was just the presentation that made it seem that way.


Why was my comment downvoted? I said that I'm looking forward to trying a feature. It seems that if a comment doesn't fit under someone's narrative of "iPad is useless," it'll get egregiously downvoted nowadays. Goodness gracious people, please be more mindful.



On Firefox and Chrome on Windows 10, I see a horizontal scrollbar. I suspect the designers have scrollbar blindness ( https://svenkadak.com/blog/scrollbar-blindness ).


Privacy/transparency features I'm most looking forward to:

1) list of when apps last accessed location, contacts, photos, etc.

2) list of what 3rd party domains apps contact.

That'll be informative. Can't wait to see what Facebook et al. will say about that.


Will this be the release where they fix memory management/multitasking that forces me to restart my iPad at least once a week due to apps and safari crashing?

My money is on no, as this has been the new normal since the release of iOS 13.




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