Had both covid and 2 shots. Covid was the most pain I've ever felt in my entire life. I thought I was going to die. And I'm "young". The shots were like the kiddie ride version of it. Still felt bad but man, I wish I could have had that over covid.

FWIW: I had covid over a two week period. It was easily the sickest I've ever been. I just got my second shot yesterday and I'd say both shots were like covid-lite. Basically all the same symptoms, just condensed into a 24-48 hour block and at not quite as bad.

It's a thing: https://old.reddit.com/r/CovidVaccinated/

There is a relatively high rate (fully acknowledged) of high fever from the MRNA vaccines, particularly after the second dose. Compared to standard vaccines of the past, the rate of fever and illness is dramatically higher. But COVID is so dangerous and contagious that the benefit is higher than the cost.

I say this as somebody (if you look at some of my previous comments) who lost my Mother-in-law due to a rare side-effect that is still being researched after her second shot.

Note it depends on which "standardized vaccines of the past" you mean. The side effects for the smallpox vaccine were horrific by modern standards.

Excellent point. And I would have innoculated every single one of my kids in a heartbeat, knowing the risks, because smallpox is such a vicious disease.

It’s alarming that I keep hearing about people who have lost people from a vaccine. It’s now at a higher rate than the virus itself. I’m awaiting Pfizer but I’m quite concerned.

Which vaccine did she take?

I want to emphasize that these events are rare, although probably not as rare as you we think, and that I recommend to people to get vaccinated.

That being said, I don't know a single person personally (I live in Colorado, with lots of family and friends in Virginia,NC, and DC) that has died or been hospitalized for COVID, and I happen to know 2 people who suffered cardiac arrest from the Pfizer vaccine, with one (my MIL) dead. The other person is a prominent technologist and former Googler, and he suffered several heart attacks in the hospital after his cardiac arrest. Both were in the midst of a post 2nd shot fever a few hours later when the incidents happened.

It should be noted that my experience is anecdotal, and if I lived in NYC, I would certainly know several people hospitalized/dead of COVID. COVID is a very scary virus in the sense that it can cause us to let our guard down. Why? Because of viral load. If you are exposed to a single person with it, your illness will probably not be severe, but if you and dozens of others get on a subway car, sick with covid, a person getting that fat viral load is far more in danger.

My primary issue with the way my MIL and my friend were handled with their vaccine induced cardiac arrests was the way the doctors initially (for roughly a week with both, in separate hospital in separate states) gaslit the families and wouldn't even discuss the vaccine being AT ALL RELATED. It was blatantly obvious to us that they were following PR playbooks either forced on them from their employers and/or medical licensing boards. The utter and obvious lack of any form of curiosity was the biggest tell.

We can't talk about what happened on social media, at all. It gets deleted and flagged as "misinformation" and "encouraging vaccine hesitancy". The private censorship regime is clumsy, and run/moderated by people who don't seem to understand nuance or respect the intelligence of the public. The result of this?

My wife's sister and her husband, who until the incident were NPR listening liberals who were excessive in their obedience to public health authorities, are now listening to fucking Alex Jones. They weren't able to vent their anger and grief or get any information from the normal spaces, and have lost ALL trust of public health authorities. It's horrible to watch, and I"m doing my best to try to keep them grounded as they grieve. They were all in the room when the cardiac arrest happened, and it was very traumatic for them. The denials and gaslighting of the medical staff compounded the issue. (At one point, a doctor insisted my MIL had choked. When told they weren't eating, he insisted that she must have snuck off to get food and sat back down while chewing. Imagine what it was like to hear that idiocy for them)

For those of you clamoring for censhorship, ask yourself if my in-laws now becoming Alex Jones listeners was a positive effect of this regime we encouraged to form after Trump's election?

Thanks for the detailed response.

I feel for your family. That’s a difficult situation to deal with, and the marginalisation from society could only make it worse.

We need to be extremely critical and honest with our medicines, gas lighting should never happen in what is suppose to be an objective and unpolitical profession.

Thanks for a very interesting perspective. Wish you and your family the best.

I had my first pfizer shot 4 days ago. Today I have experienced slight chest pains when I make a deep breath or roll my torso forward. I think it could be pericarditis - inflammation of the tissue around heart.

Doesn't help that yesterday I drank a bit after a very long break. Dumbest thing I did in years.

If this is really some sort of heart inflammation then no way the chance is like one in a million, it must be way more common.

I consider if maybe this is a placebo, because I was aware of heart inflammation issues, but my mind could not possibly made up chest pains on deep breaths - I had no prior knowledge of the condition.

I had headaches for like two weeks after my second Pfizer shot. I drank plenty of water and was getting electrolytes, so I'm guessing it was a side effect.