> It's obvious looking at the data that vaccines reduce transmission.

Really? I don't think I know a single person who got vaccinated and didn't get COVID again, several times in some cases.

Yes but it would have been much worse without the vaccine

My aunt died of covid. Luckily she was vaccinated and triple-boostered, or it could have been worse.

Do you not understand how statistics work? She had a lower chance to die, that doesn't mean she's immune.

Wrong, wrong, and wrong. You can't just believe everything you see on the internet.

The vaccine doesn't provide immunity. It doesn't prevent transmission, just lowers it. This is well known. It may lower sickness severity in older population. It also only lasts 2-3 months.

To be fair I think it was actually right, right, and wrong.

There was a recent paper published in Nature that shows this. Only observed in people who had breakthrough infections though

Doesn't sound like you do if I'm being honest with you. Sounds like you believe the science that agrees with you.

I know plenty of them.

You probably live in the US, where nobody is boosted and 30% of the population isn't vaccinated.

I don't.

I know 2 people that caught covid after being vaccinated. I've never caught it. Most people I know never caught it. And it would be even worse without vaccines. Y'all are doing something wrong over there.

I know several people in Europe who got Covid several times despite several vaccinations.

I don't.

Anecdotal evidence can be dismissed with anecdotal evidence.

If that's your burden of proof then you'll never find someone good enough

I mean thats science?

Individual experiences dont give any indication of population level outcomes - there is too much variability.

Some people see their cancers spontaneously go into remission but you wouldnt make a claim that cancers usually go into remission by themselves.

No, that's not science. That's you weaponizing science in your crusade against things you don't like. You don't like vaccines, so you make bullshit claims that are unsubstantiated but hard to disprove, and then eventually people get tired of arguing with you and you have your way.

Yes it is science. No scientist will look an individual anecdote and make any sort of claim from it. That's high school science and statistics.

Your personal attack is again HN rules. And I'm not sure where you're coming from - I've been vaccinated.

This "vaccines can do no wrong" bandwagon is as damaging to science as the "vaccines are all bad" group.

Yes, I agree they are slow.

They were very slow to confirm side effects (remember when people suffering with heart issues were ridiculed and ignored?).

Very slow to let everyone know that it wouldn't actually stop transmission (remember when we were told to get it to protect grandma? Or how about the messaging that 'breakthrough cases are very rare').

Very slow to reveal that effectiveness waned quite quicky.

These issues were quite obvious from the beginning. It's taken two years and only now can these be openly discussed without becoming a social pariah.