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the same goes for punishing criminals, but the idea of pre-crime is worse


Punishing criminals before they offend and setting clear boundaries beyond which you need user permission to act? Totally the same thing.


requiring people to prove their innocence or requiring people to prove their innocence?

totally different things.


Requiring a user to agree to what an application wants to do isn't a requirement to prove innocence. It's a requirement to obtain consent that is verifiable by the operating system in which the user has placed trust.

Why is the open and clear obtaining of consent so clearly anathema throughout this thread?




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