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OK, let me refine my recap: you are arguing that to assess responsibility for atrocities is to invite genocide? Or that our best course is to ignore culpability? - passive acceptance of any outrage?


No, not at all.

I believe your error stems from looking at my comment regarding what implications it would have on your position. Those assumed implications are however erroneous.

I am telling you initial cause blame attribution is open ended and thus dangerous. Thats why it cant be used. Because there is some stuff that cant be justified. If you go down the path of Russia is to blame not because they did it, but because they started it, you are writing a blank check for anything that happens afterwards.

This statement says nothing about removing any blame from Russia, its just the statement that some stuff is unjustifiable. Which is why those lines of reasoning are not a good idea.

As i pointed out in another post, it also shifts the narrative from Russia blew up a dam to Ukraine would have been allowed to do that. Thats cognitive warfare, straight out of GRUs active measures. Which is also why my other post wasnt concern trolling. They are actively doing that and attention needs to be paid unless you want GRU dictating how you think about Ukraine.


> who started it gets you genocide.

Are you aware that the UN court case against a Russia conducting genocide is being heard at the moment?

https://news.un.org/en/story/2023/09/1141417


Worrying about some hypothetical genocide against Russians that might or might not manifest whenever someone points out a direct consequence of Russia's genocidal war of aggression against Ukraine has to be the height of cynicism.


Saying that a dam destroyed in the war is the fault of the country who invaded the other.... gets you genocide?

Fuck off, idiot.


You can't post like this here, no matter how wrong someone else is or you feel they are.

Perhaps you don't owe people who you feel are making wrong points about genocide better, but you owe this community better if you're participating in it.

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Edit: you've unfortunately broken the site guidelines elsewhere in the thread (https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=37707103), and we've already had to warn you about this kind of thing. We end up having to ban accounts that ignore such warnings and I don't want to ban you, so if you'd please stick to using the site as intended, we'd appreciate it.


>Fuck off, idiot.

You seem to be a genuine account. It amazes me that you thought this to be a reasonable comment.

I looked at my comment again and its pretty clear that i was talking about the kind of reasoning, not the specific argument. Please think before you post.

Once you stop judging stuff on its own you can justify anything. Its why its not sensible to do that.



> Thats a really dangerous and reckless line of reasoning

No, it's really not. There needs to be accountability and punishment for war crimes. Nobody is calling for 'genocide' or whatever the hell you're talking about.


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