>there are numerous counterexamples of companies that charge consumers directly without double-dipping - Google One, Dropbox, Remember the Milk, World of Warcraft, LegendKeeper, ChatGPT, most video games, Notion, Slack, etc.
That's really your best list?
- Google constnatly double dips. They were cuaght not too long ago scanning Drive folders for potential Gemini use. Slack just had this discussion as well.
- WOW charges subscriptions and for cosmetics in game. That's how more and more video games are trying to recoup costs. DLC, microtransactions, battle passes, NFTs, etc. You can avoid most of that if you're indie, but that's the AAA market.
- ChatGPT is in market capture mode right now in a very hot market. It's going to pull a google in 5-10 years if it's still dominant. I would bet my bottom dollar on that one.
>there are specific examples of companies moving away from ad-supported models to paid subscription models (without keeping ads)
And they are double dipping on their own services by selling to AI to train their data. It won't be ads for you today. It probably will be tomorrow. If the goal is to minimize annoyance, this is honestly worse than double charging.
We're doomed without a fundamental shift in how society consumes content.
There are dozens more that you can find easily with a quick search, and these alone support my point.
> Google constnatly double dips
Sure, maybe they're not the best choice. Let's use Apple instead.
> Gemini
> And they are double dipping on their own services by selling to AI to train their data
Other forms of double dipping than ads aren't on topic, relevant, or productive for this thread which was specifically about micro transactions not replacing ads because of double dipping. (yes, the problem is real - see later)
> WOW charges subscriptions and for cosmetics in game
Also off topic, but here I don't even see a problem. Unlike ads being involuntarily shoved down your throat, you're not compelled to buy cosmetics.
> It won't be ads for you today. It probably will be tomorrow
This is very speculative, and not supported by the hundreds of SaaS products that do not, even those that have been around for years.
> We're doomed without a fundamental shift in how society consumes content.
Like microtransactions?
Moreover, none of this addresses my points that if you get rid of ads (or user data harvesting), you still have to replace it with something else, and that utx will reduce the pressure to do these other things.
Sure, ultimately you'll need regulation to get rid of user data harvesting, and maybe ads too, but I'm confused as to why "double dipping" is being brought up as an argument against utx after those things are gone - they're almost orthogonal.
That's really your best list?
- Google constnatly double dips. They were cuaght not too long ago scanning Drive folders for potential Gemini use. Slack just had this discussion as well.
- WOW charges subscriptions and for cosmetics in game. That's how more and more video games are trying to recoup costs. DLC, microtransactions, battle passes, NFTs, etc. You can avoid most of that if you're indie, but that's the AAA market.
- ChatGPT is in market capture mode right now in a very hot market. It's going to pull a google in 5-10 years if it's still dominant. I would bet my bottom dollar on that one.
>there are specific examples of companies moving away from ad-supported models to paid subscription models (without keeping ads)
And they are double dipping on their own services by selling to AI to train their data. It won't be ads for you today. It probably will be tomorrow. If the goal is to minimize annoyance, this is honestly worse than double charging.
We're doomed without a fundamental shift in how society consumes content.