Although I really appreciate what Jesus adds to the religious stories as it opened it up to the world, in a sense of "everyone can be Christian" without the need for completely surplantting yourself with old laws and traditions (like circumcision).
> Then Jesus turned, and saw them following, and saith unto them, What seek ye? They said unto him, Rabbi, (which is to say, being interpreted, Master,) where dwellest thou?
John 3:2
> The same came to Jesus by night, and said unto him, Rabbi, we know that thou art a teacher come from God: for no man can do these miracles that thou doest, except God be with him.
John 20:16
> Jesus saith unto her, Mary. She turned herself, and saith unto him, Rabboni; which is to say, Master.
"which is to say, master" is the part we're talking about here. jesus isnt a modern day rabbi, but was a teacher in the classical sense. makes sense to me. thanks
I think there's a decent case to be made that he was considered a "rabbi", or teacher in the time period prior to the destruction of the second temple, by a group of jewish folks.
As far as I understand it, the more formalized, institutional rabbinic structure came after the destruction of the second temple.
Sure, but as far as I understand it, his followers were Jewish people, those followers called him Rabbi, so at that time... it was a "Jewish viewpoint".
Yeah but as for Jesus, he was rejected by all Jews, Sanhedrin and high priests, also the Roman Empire for hundreds of years, zillions of Hellenics, and a large chunk of the entire world 2000 years hence.
I’d call that a unique achievement in the history of rejections.
Rejected later upon evaluation of his entire life, but that's not to say he wasn't considered a teacher at the time. After all, there's plenty of modern-day preachers who have done some heinous acts, but they don't retroactively lose that title during the time they held it.
It's worth noting that Messianic Judaism is an offshoot that holds that Jesus (Yeshua) was who he claimed. (While I'm not religious at this point in my life, my wife is a member of such a congregation)
Jesus' teachings fit within the diversity of Jewish sects existing at the time—Sadducees, Pharisees (literally "sectarians," derived from the Greek word Pharisaios, sharing the same root as the word "pariah"), and Essenes (a mystical, monastic sect; some speculate Jesus may have been associated with them).
Had it not been for Paul of Tarsus, Christianity might still be considered one of many Jewish sects. (In early Christian times, the Romans referred to Christianity as a "Jewish superstition.")
> "everyone can be Christian" without the need for completely surplantting yourself with old laws and traditions (like circumcision)
This idea originates explicitly from Paul's teachings.
Because Jesus fits the definition of a 2nd Temple Jewish teacher, regardless of how he later came to be viewed. Just because later rabbinic Judaism rejected the apocalyptic movements and texts doesn't mean it wasn't part of Judaism while Jesus was live.
What does "Jewish" mean in that context? The dominant religion at the time was a sacrificial cult centered on Temple worship. rabbinical Judaism as we know it today developed over centuries after that temple cult was fully decimated by the Romans. Its completely anachronistic to say "Jewish" refers to Jesus in the same way that it refers to your local synagogue.
Right, Jesus is to be understood historically as a 1st century Jew who lead a movement. Just as Paul is understood historically as a very early Christian (and Jew), not a modern day one. Paul wouldn't have even understood something called Christianity as a separate religion.
I don't know why they put rabbi there. Jesus is later rejected by Jewish teachings and is probably considered heretical.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jewish_views_on_Jesus
Although I really appreciate what Jesus adds to the religious stories as it opened it up to the world, in a sense of "everyone can be Christian" without the need for completely surplantting yourself with old laws and traditions (like circumcision).