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Go spend some time in Brazil or South Africa or other places where no-one trusts anyone (for good reasons), then report back.


A place where you can lose you wallet and get it back with all the cash inside.

The horror!!


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No, you're describing a low-trust society.

Please learn what words mean before you comment on them.


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Isn't that the system that we are already living in?

Democracy in its american form or even at many others show almost complete paralysis of the entire system basically if bad actors infiltrate it (Looking at ya donald)

It is honestly a little sad since conservatives usually think of their society as this high trust society and they were the ones who primarily voted and are being taken advantaged of by the few untrustworthy individuals.

Politics is a cult/religion and you can't prove me otherwise.

I vote because I vote for lesser evil not for greater good. I do think that frankly, both the parties or just most parties in every nation are just so short of reality but I created a discord server of 100 people and I can see how I can't manage 100 people and so maybe I expect so much from the govt.

I used to focus so much on history and politics but its bloody mess and there is no good or bad. Now I just feel like going into the woods and into the darks living alone, maybe coding.


Let me guess: A low violence society is bad because people get attacked and beat up?


That's quite literally the opposite of what high trust means...


That's a very sad and lonely way to live.


I don't think we're talking about the same thing.


Obviously. You should heed the advice of other posters who told you to look up the meaning of the word.


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> High trust is prima facie incompatible with capitalism

Quite compatible

> If you want a high trust society, you don't want capitalism.

There is nothing at all in capitalism that would prevent a high level of trust in society.

> Capitalism is inherently low trust

But that's not true. The thing about capitalism is that it's RESILENT to low trust. It does not require low levels of trust, but is capable of functioning in such conditions.

> If the penalty for deceit was greater than the penalty for non-deceit

Who are the judges? Capitalism is the most resistant to deception, deceivers under capitalism receive fewer benefits than under any other economic system. Simply because capitalism is based on the premise that people cheat, act out of greed, try to get the most for themselves at the expense of others. These qualities exist in people regardless of the existence of capitalism, it is just that capitalism ensures prosperity in society even when people have these qualities.



Why bring up capitalism? I don't get it. What's stopping people from lying and cheating under any other system?


When lying and cheating doesn't get you ahead, there is no reason to do it.


If we look at any communist society, the only way to get ahead was lying and cheating. China was forced to adopt capitalist markets to deal with this, hence why modern China hardly resembles the USSR, Cuba, Venezuela, or Laos.


Communist with a capital C.

I've never seen a stateless, classless, moneyless society. It may be impossible.


You seriously think that mankind wasn't lying and cheating long before inventing capitalism?


Sure, but the risk/reward ratio was different.


The problem is that without capitalism ONLY lying and cheating will get you ahead. Look at ANY country that builds its economy on the restriction of people's economic freedom, on the absence of private property rights - these are the most deceitful and disgusting regimes in the world with zero level of public trust.




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