The health care system is fine if you can afford it. The main problem with American health care is financial, and if you have good insurance (which should come with any good job) it's fine. Not great, but on par with the rest of the first world.
Limited annual leave depends on the job. If you're in software engineering or similar, you're unlikely to have a problem. If you get offered a job that doesn't offer the annual leave you want, either negotiate for more, or just don't take that job.
I doubt your statement that a majority of the US has an extremely high murder rate. Some parts of the country certainly do, but much of the country is perfectly safe. The overall average rate is higher than other first-world countries, but that does not imply that most of the country has a higher rate. Crime is not spread out evenly.
You may want to look into why you understand things that aren't really correct, and figure out how that happened.
I doubt your statement that a majority of the US has an extremely high murder rate. Some parts of the country certainly do, but much of the country is perfectly safe. The overall average rate is higher than other first-world countries, but that does not imply that most of the country has a higher rate. Crime is not spread out evenly.
That sounds reasonable, but I thought I'd take a look.
It turns out that the Australian states with the worst murder rate (NSW & WA, 1.6/1000) would have been the fifth best in the US (after New Hampshire, Minnesota, Iowa and Hawaii)[1].
So yeah, most of the US does have a higher murder rate.
I don't think states are sufficiently granular to prove your case. For me, at least, you'd need to go all the way down to individual neighborhoods to show that "a significant majority of the United States' suffers from an extremely high murder rate".
Let me illustrate. The murder rate in Washington, DC is pretty high, at 13.9 per 100,000 (which I'll abbreviate as just 13.9 from here).
I live in the DC area. Does that mean that I live in an area with an extremely high murder rate? Nope. I live in Fairfax County, about 15 miles from downtown, but still well within the urban area. At first glance, Fairfax County is a collection of suburbs. However, this is kind of misleading, as the county has almost double the population of DC proper, about 1.1 million people. In 2011 (the most recent year I could find a figure for), there were 11 murders in Fairfax County, putting the murder rate at just under 1.0. That makes Fairfax County on par with or safer, on average, than every Australian state besides Tasmania.
And this isn't cherry-picked, aside from the obvious bit where I started out with it because I live here. neighboring Arlington County, for example, with a population of about 220,000, had no murders in 2011. Montgomery County had 16 murders in 2011 out of a population of about one million, for a somewhat higher murder rate of 1.6.
There is substantial variation within each jurisdiction as well. Large parts of DC is perfectly safe, with murders concentrated in certain areas:
If you live in the northwest part of the city, you're perfectly safe. If you live in southeast, life is even more dangerous than the 13.9 average rate suggests.
DC is a somewhat special case, as a large urban area carved up into many jurisdictions. Other major US cities tend to have fewer local jurisdictions, which makes it harder to see the individual regions. Chicago, for example, has a population of 2.7 million within the city limits and that encompasses a huge range in terms of crime, from places where you'd never want to get out of your car to places that haven't seen a murder in years.
Yes, the US has more violent crime than other first-world countries, but it doesn't much apply to the average person. Much of this crime is criminal-on-criminal violence, and much of the rest is concentrated in poor and minority areas. That's not to excuse it at all, or to somehow imply that it makes it OK, but it is relevant when addressing what most of the country sees.
I knew someone would come up with the granuality argument.
The rest of the world works exactly the same way too.
Yes, there are places in the us that have little violent crime. There are more places like that outside the US though, and taking population into account my point stands.
Of course the rest of the world works the same way too. I never said it didn't.
But the fact remains that most of the US does not suffer from extreme violence, and comparing the averages across countries doesn't do anything to dispute that.
Even though you claim to understand this, you didn't let it stop you from declaring that "most of the US does have a higher murder rate." How does that work, then?
Even though you claim to understand this, you didn't let it stop you from declaring that "most of the US does have a higher murder rate." How does that work, then?
In areas of similar population density, the murder rate in the US is higher.
Of course there are areas of the US that have very low population density, and an equally low murder rate.
First we get "most of the US has a higher murder rate", then we transition to "the average is higher is the vast majority of US states" and now we're at "in areas of similar population density".
I really can't keep track of just what you're actually arguing, nor do I care to keep trying.
Murder rate thing is probably because an Australian national named Christopher Lane, in the US playing Baseball at college, was randomly murdered in Oklahoma this year. He was out jogging when a couple of teenagers ran up and shot him in the back for no obvious reason.
Australian politicians immediately started telling people not to visit the US because it's so full of guns.
Clearly, not a very nuanced understanding of what those statistics actually say (see post from mikeash above) or an intelligent perspective on the relevance of gun control.
I live in Uruguay (South America) and I liked to mention the statistic that you're 10 times more likely to be murdered in Chicago (or was it Detroit?) than in Montevideo, yet you're 10 times more likely to be robbed in Montevideo :P
Not sure if it's still true but it was a funny statistic.
And the media here does portray the U.S. as a country where murder is uncommonly prevalent.
Are they not really correct? I have (in the past) looked into all three of the things you rebutted and I'm not so sure the evidence agrees with you.
It seems to me that the murder rate really is high for being a first-world country that isn't on the brink of collapse or recovering from it.
Lowest number is for places with less than 10,000 inhabitants (roughly, read the details that go with the source to know what this means.) For that we see a murder
rate of 2.7 per 100,000.[1]
Countries in Europe that are higher than this:
4.9 - Belarus, 2009
8.6 - Moldova, 2011
9.7 - Russian Federation, 2011 (down from 18.9 in 2004)
4.3 - Ukraine, 2010
4.8 - Estonia, 2011
19.2 - Greenland, 2009 (this fluctuates wildly, 3.5 in 2007)
6.4 - Lithuania, 2011
4.4 - Albania, 2011
3.6 - Montenegro, 2011
Meanwhile the entire rest of Europe (44 other countries) is below that, and I picked the lowest rate of a reasonably-sized group out of the ones listed (26 million people.)
And it only goes up from there, in terms of murder rate - as high as 12.1 in some of the other groups. Also, this is not the only source and there are better analyses than mine out there that do a much better job of correcting for various things.
Similar data exists for healthcare, and I'd be happy to cite sources - our healthcare isn't great even when you can afford it.
You seem to have completely missed my point about crime not being evenly distributed. Yes, the US murder rate is unusually high for a first world country. That does not, however, imply that most of the US experiences extreme amounts of violent crime. Most of the US is reasonably safe, with certain parts being unreasonably dangerous. To merely look at the average is like saying that the Dundee neighborhood of Omaha, Nebraska is extremely wealthy since the average net worth of people in the neighborhood is over $9.8 million, when it's actually a bunch of middle class people plus Warren Buffett.
On the health care front, I have trouble finding anything that actually discusses the quality of care when you have access to the system, rather than discussing the quality of care for the country as a whole. This is the best I could find:
Relevant summary quote: "Overall, results for mortality favoured Canada with a 5% advantage, but the results were weak and varied. The only consistent pattern was that Canadian patients fared better in kidney failure."
Two major confounding factors are overall health of the population (essentially, how much of poor American health care outcomes are due to being fat) and unequal access. Statistics for the country as a whole ignore these, and therefore are not relevant when deciding how the American health care system will treat an individual who eats well and has decent insurance.
Again, the US health care system has deep problems that need some serious attention, but as best I can tell, they are financial, not actually problems with the quality of care that's delivered to those who are able to receive it.
I'm not looking at the average for the whole country, I am looking at a specific piece of the FBI crime data, and comparing that to what should be by your own logic numbers that are already on the high side for other countries. In fact, the group I picked is of only areas with a population of less than 10,000, including areas where there is no population at all, as well as universities and colleges, excluding suburbs. It's about as biased toward the point you are trying to make as you can get from this data source and it still doesn't line up with what you are claiming.
Feel free to provide evidence for your claim as you still have not done so.
Relevant points from it: no, obesity does not account for a significant portion; yes, it affects even those who pay; yes you need to look at a lot of data; and no the data does not agree with you.
The John Green video has 2 other links of interest in the description, too.
Your claims are still entirely unsubstantiated, and you keep throwing in more of them instead of backing your existing claims up with data.
Taking the average of every place in the country with a population under 10,000 does not strike me as being even close to "as biased... as you can get" toward my point. You're still discussing the mean, while the original claim was about the median. If crime is indeed highly clumpy, as I've proposed, then it's probably highly clumpy in communities of under 10,000 people too. The mean could therefore easily be high while the median remains low.
And yes, a lot of it is handwaving and speculation. The data I'd need just doesn't appear to exist, since you'd have to take it down to the neighborhood level. That said, I think it's superior to discuss without data, while admitting that the data isn't there, than tho discuss with data that doesn't actually say what it's claimed to say.
Regarding healthcare, your first link does not mention inferior outcomes at all. It does not state, but heavily implies, that our outcomes are not significantly better or worse. I briefly searched around that site for other articles but couldn't find anything that discusses the health care system in isolation from the confounding factors. And there is no way I'm going to believe that obesity is not a significant factor here without something to back it up, given that obesity in the US is a factor in about 1/5th of all deaths.
- I understand that a significant majority of Korea's healthcare system is lacklustre, but cheap.
- I understand that a significant majority of Korea's only offer limited annual leave (1 week) (compared to Australia's 4 weeks).
- I understand that a significant majority of Korea suffers from an extremely suicide rate for a 1st world country.
This is a sample of why I don't want to live in South Korea even though they have the fastest, cheapest internet on Earth.
Or France
- I understand that a significant majority of France's healthcare system is quite good, but you pay out the nose for it in taxes even if you don't ever use it.
- I understand that a significant majority of the French support industry and infrastructure choking union strikes over tiny contract details
- I understand that a significant majority of France suffers from an extremely high racial segregation and discrimination problem
This is a sample of why I don't want to live in France even though they have the best cuisine on Earth.
Or Australia
- I understand that a significant majority of the Australia's healthcare system is lacklustre.
- I understand that a significant majority of Australians still support the Aboriginal segregation and forced adoption laws.
- I understand that Australia not only has a slow internet, but widespread and regular censorship of what sites citizens can go to.
- I understand that Australia doesn't even offer free speech protection.
This is a sample of why I don't want to live in Australia, even though it has nice weather.
I understand that a significant majority of the United States' only offer limited annual leave (compared to Australia's 4 weeks).
I understand that a significant majority of the United States' suffers from an extremely high murder rate for a 1st world country.
This is a sample of why I don't want to live in the US, even though they have fast internet.